Truth & Justice with Bob Ruff

Bob is joined again this week by Dr. Sandra Lean.  Dr. Lean is the Author of "Innocents Betrayed" and has been working on Jodi and Luke's case for nearly two decades.  In this episode, Bob and Sandra breakdown the Prosecution's case against Luke. To purchase a copy of Sandra's book "Innocents Betrayed" just click THIS LINK to find it on Amazon. For Ad Free episodes, and access to Bob's latest bonus series "Reply Brief" where he is doing and episode for episode rebuttal of The Prosecutors podcast's coverage of the Adnan Syed case, plus an additional hour of Patreon exclusive video content each week, all you have to do is join our Patreon community at the $5/month level.  Join today by clicking THIS LINK!

Bob, Zaq and Janet field lots of listener questions about the Jodi Jones and Luke Mitchell case.  Bob also recommends listeners check out the episodes of the Defense Diaries podcast, where Bob Motta breaks down the latest Delphi filing. Missing Person of the Week:  California DaVohnte Morgan.  Missing from Mount Shasta, since 5/5/20With information about DaVohnte or his whereabouts, contact the Mt. Shasta Police Department at (530) 926-7540. Bob and Zaq will be performing stand-up comedy in Baroda, Michigan on October 13th.  Tickets are $20, and can be purchased at BobRuffEvents.com To gain access to Bob's "Reply Brief" series on the Adnan Syed case, get all episodes ad free, and get access to an hour of Patreon exclusive video content every week, please consider joining our Patreon community.  All of these benefits come at the $5/month level.  You can join today, by clicking THIS LINK. Todays' Sponsors: ZBiotics - Go to zbiotics.com/truth, and use code "truth" at checkout for 15% off of your first order. Miracle Made - Go to TryMiracle.com/truth to save 40%, and if you use code "truth" at checkout, you'll get 3 free towels, and save an extra 20%.

This week, Bob is joined by a guest who actually does have the case file!  Dr. Sandra Lean is the Author of "Innocents Betrayed" and has been working on Luke's case, with his defense team for nearly 20 years.  She has agreed to appear in the next three episodes in order to throroughly and accurately explain the details of Luke Mitchell's case.  In this episode, Bob and Dr. Lean pick up where Bob left off.  We learn the details of the body discovery, Luke's interrogation, and the condition of Jodi's body. For Ad Free episodes, and access to Bob's latest bonus series "Reply Brief" where he is doing and episode for episode rebuttal of The Prosecutors podcast's coverage of the Adnan Syed case, plus an additional hour of Patreon exclusive video content each week, all you have to do is join our Patreon community at the $5/month level.  Join today by clicking THIS LINK!

This is a long one.  Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss updates in Adnan's case, a very strange development in the Delphi murder case, and have a lengthy discussion about the Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones case.  And of course they field several listener questions. To gain early access to Bob's "Reply Brief" series on the Adnan Syed case, join our Patreon at the $5/month level.  At that level you'll get bonus series like this one, all episodes ad free, and an hour per week of Patreon exclusive video contact.  To join the community just CLICK THIS LINK Today's episode is sponsored by Magic Spoon cereal.  Go to MagicSpoon.com/TruthAndJustice and use code "truthandjustice" to save $5 off of your order.

These week Bob breaks down the timeline of events from the time Jodi arrived home from school, until her body was found.  The timeline is constructed based on phone records, and witness statement. To get every episode AD FREE and gain access to bonus content, join our Patreon at the $5/month level.  Just click THIS LINK to join!

With Zaq out on assignment, Bob and Janet spend a bit of time talking about Bob's most recent Patreon bonus "Reply Brief" episode, where Bob breakdown and completely disproves the State's theory about the "Nisha Call".  A brief discussion about the Jodi Jones murder case follows.  Not too many questions were answered, because most of them were regarding material that we haven't covered yet. To get every episode AD FREE and gain access to bonus content, join our Patreon at the $5/month level.  Just click THIS LINK to join! Today's sponsors: Miracle Made To claim your free 3 piece towel set, and save over 40% off, just go to TryMiracle.com/truth and use code TRUTH. Zbiotics Go to zbiotics.com/truth to get 15% off your first order, when you use code TRUTH at checkout.

In this first short episode on our coverage of the 2003 murder of Jodi Jones and potential wrongful conviction of Luke Mitchell, Bob shares the limited background information that we have available about Jodi and Luke.  We look into Jodi's victimology, Luke's background, and how and why this case is connected to the "Black Dahlia" murder. To support our work and to gain access to Bob's bonus series about the Adnan Syed case, as well as every episode ad free . . . and an hour of Patreon exclusive bonus video content every week, please consider becoming a Patreon.  You can join by clicking THIS LINK, and you get all of these benefits at the $5/month level.

This week's Follow-Up is mostly focused on Bob's assessment and listener questions about The Prosecutors podcast's final arguments in the Adnan Syed case.  Missing Person of the Week: Jarrett Brooks - Joseph City, Arizona If you have any information regarding Jarrett's whereabouts, please contact the Navajo County Sheriff's Department at 928-5244050 For more information please join the "Search for Jarrett Brooks" Facebook page. To listen to Bob's bonus "Reply Brief" series, where he breaks down and rebuts The Prosecutors' analysis of the Adnan Syed case, just click THIS LINK to join our Patreon community.  At the $5/month level, you'll get full access to this and all bonus series, Ad Free versions of every episode of the podcast, and an hour of Patreon exclusive video content every week. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.  To get 10% off of your first month, go to BetterHelp.com/truth

Bob begins this short episode with his thoughts on the final conclusion of The Prosecutors' series on the Adnan Syed case.  We get a sneak peak into the work he's doing on the case in the Patreon Bonus series.  After that, Bob reveals the plan for the next several weeks.  Next Sunday he will begin a multi-part series on the wrongful conviction of Luke Mitchell.  This is a Scottish case.  Luke was just 14 years old, when he was accused of killing his 14 year old girlfriend, Jodi Jones.  The case has all the "trappings" of the WM3 case.  This is just a brief introduction before next week's first episode of the series. For a detailed, episode by episode breakdown and analysis of The Prosecutors' coverage of the Adnan Syed case, join our Patreon at the $5/month level.  This bonus series is exclusive to Patreon.  Your membership will also get you access to an hour of Patreon exclusive video content each week, and Ad Free versions of every episode of the podcast.  To join our Patreon community, CLICK HERE.

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss what we learned from Search and Seizure Expert, Eric Stewart in this week's episode.  After that discussion, each of the trio share a Missing Persons Case of the Week.  Below are the contacts for information on any of these cases.  If you have any information regarding the disappearances of Gus Red Eagle, Layla Santanello or Mariamae Touré Sylla please share that information with the following agencies: Gus Red Eagle:  Contact the Red Lake Police Department at 218-679-3313 Layla Santanello:  Contact the Kingsport Police Department at 423-229-9429 or the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation at 800-TBI-FIND Mariamae Touré Sylla:  Contact the Greenbelt Police Department at 301-474-7200 To listen to this and all episodes AD FREE, you can join our Patreon at the $5/month level.  At that level you will also get an hour of exclusive bonus video content, and access to Bonus Episodes.  Right now, Bob is doing a Patreon exclusive series where he is responding to The Prosecutors podcast's analysis of the Adnan Syed case.  You can get access to all of that and more by clicking THIS LINK, and becoming a Patron.

This week Bob is joined by 4th Amendment expert, Eric Stewart.  Eric is the father of listener Joshua Stewart, and takes the time this week to educate the Truth & Justice Army on Search & Seizure laws and practices.  He brings some amazing insights and answers several questions submitted directly from listeners. To hear this episode and all others AD FREE, please consider joining our Patreon.  You'll not only get ad free episodes, but you'll also get an hour of Patreon exclusive video bonus content each week, AND exclusive access to bonus series like the current series where Bob is breaking down The Prosecutors' series on the Adnan Syed case.  You get all this for just $5/month.  Click HERE to join!

Bob, Zaq and Janet answer listener questions about Bob's "Reply Brief" episode, where you broke down The Prosecutors' first episode covering the Adnan Syed case. If you would like to listen to the full series of "Reply Briefs" where Bob will respond to every episode of the The Prosecutors' coverage of Adnan's case, those episodes will be available exclusively on Patreon.  You can join Patreon to listen to that content by following the link below: Patreon.com/truthandjustice

In this special "Reply Brief" edition of Truth & Justice, Bob shares his thoughts on Part 1 of "The Prosecutors" podcast's analysis of the Hae Min Lee murder case, and the conviction of Adnan Syed.  The Prosecutors' set out to present a just the facts breakdown of the case against Adnan, in this series.  After listening, Bob believes he has caught some inaccuracies and misstatements of fact.  This is part 1 of his episode by episode reply to their coverage, where he intends to source the facts.  Share where he believes they got it right, and where they got it wrong.  The big question for today is . . . What time did track practice actually start . . . and when did it end? This first episode of the "Reply Brief" series has aired on all feeds, however the remaining 13 episodes will be published as exclusive bonuses for our Patrons.  To hear the full series, simply click THIS LINK and join our Patreon community at the $5 per month level.  At that level, you'll not only get access to the full series on The Prosecutors' coverage of the Adnan Syed case, but you'll also get all of our main and Follow-Up episodes AD FREE, as well as an hour of Patreon exclusive video content with Bob, Zaq, and Janet every week.  And of course, you'll be supporting the work that we do here at Truth & Justice.

Bob makes a big announcement regarding a change of format for this season.  We also learn that his first episode, breaking down "The Prosecutors'" coverage of the Adnan Syed case will air this Sunday on the main podcast feed.  Then Janet and Zaq join into to further discuss the mysterious disappearance of Kadin Black, from Wrightsville, Pennsylvania. To join Patreon, which will give you access to all episodes ad free, an hour of Patreon exclusive bonus video content each week, and access to the upcoming series on the Adnan Syed case, just click HERE and join at the $5/month level. Today's episode is sponsored by ZBiotics.  To get 15% off of your first order, just go to ZBiotics.com/Truth, and use our code TRUTH at checkout.

Kadin Black disappeared in Wrightsville, Pennsylvania on December 17, 2022.  Kadin is described as black, but light skinned.  He's 19 years old.  5' 10" tall, muscular, and around 160 pounds. Anyone with any information regarding Kadin’s disappearance is asked to call the Lower Windsor Township Police Department at 717-244-8055. There is a $5,000 reward being offered by Kadin's mother for anyone who provides a tip that leads to locating Kadin. For more information, please follow the "Find Kadin Black" Facebook page by clicking HERE. Click HERE to join our Patreon.  Patrons get every episode AD FREE, an hour of Patreon exclusive video content every week, and access to Patreon exclusive podcast series like our upcoming deep dive into The Prosecutors' coverage of the Adnan Syed case.

With Zaq out on assignment, Bob and Janet are at the helm this week to field listener questions about the disappearance of Andi Wagner, from Evansville, Indiana.  To contact the Evansville Police Department you can call them at (812) 436-7896, or email them at info@evansvillepolice.com Now is a great time to join our Patreon!  Not only will you get every episode AD FREE, and an hour of Patreon exclusive video content every week, but Bob is about to launch a series discussing the Adnan Syed case and The Prosecutors podcast's coverage of it ONLY ON PATREON.  Click HERE to join our Patreon. Today's episode is sponsored by Betterhelp.  Go to Betterhelp.com/truth for 10% off of your first month!

Andi Wagner was last seen in Evansville, Indiana on August 6, 2022.  Today marks one year since she's been missing.  She may have traveled to Oakland City, Indiana. She's 24 years old.  Hispanic.  Brown hair and brown eyes.  5'4" and around 120 pounds.  She has tattoos on both forearms and on her fingers. If you have any information regarding Andi's disappearance or you know of her whereabouts please call the Evansville, Indiana Police Department's Adult Investigations Unit at 812-436-7979. For updates on the case, please consider joining the "Where Is Andi" Facebook group. To help support our work, and to get all episodes AD FREE as well as an hour of bonus video content every week, please join us on Patreon!

Bob, Janet and Zaq dig deeper into the mysterious disappearance of Alex Jackson.  Alex was last seen in Leeds, Maine on 5/12/23 around 4pm.  He was driving a 2008, White Dodge Ram 3500, and was pulling a long flatbed gooseneck trailer. For more information about the case, join the Searching 4 Alex Jackson From Maine Facebook group. For over an hour a week of exclusive bonus content, and every episode AD FREE, please consider joining our Patreon.  About 50% of our operating budget is funded through our Patrons, and we could not be more appreciative.

Alex Jackson was last seen in Leeds, Maine, on May 12th 2023.  He is a 33 year old white male.  5' 7" tall.  150 pounds.  Brown hair and brown eyes.  He was last seen driving a 2008 white Dodge 3500 dually pickup truck, and hauling a large gooseneck flatbed trailer.  The truck has a Maine Farm Plate #97096. If you have any information, please contact the Windham, Maine Police Department at 207-893-2810. For more information, and updates on the case please consider joining the "Searching 4 Alex Jackson From Maine" Facebook group.  You can find the group by clicking HERE. To get all episodes AD FREE and help to support our work, please consider joining our Patreon.

Bob, Janet and Zaq dig a lot deeper into the disappearance of Kay-Alana Turner, from Tomball, Texas.  Bob shares his theory of the case, makes some clarifications and answers a lot of listener questions. To get all episodes AD FREE, and to help support our work, please consider joining our Patreon.  You'll also get an hour per week of additional Patreon exclusive bonus video content. Today's Sponsor is Miracle Made.  Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made!  Go to TryMiracle.com/truth and use the code TRUTH to claim your free 3 piece towel set and save over 40% off.

Kay-Alana Turner was last seen in the 18000 block of Country Hills Drive, in Tomball, Texas, on March 10, 2023.  She is a 28 year old white female with long brown hair.  She's 5' 4" and 110 lbs.  She was last seen wearing a long pink dress and was barefoot.  The last known footprints suggest that she crossed Spring Creek, and was possibly headed towards Decker Prairie Rosehill Rd. For more information, updates on the case and any requests for assistance, please join the "Updates for Kay-Alana Turner" Facebook group.  You can find the page by clicking HERE. To help support our work and to listen to every episode AD FREE, please consider joining our Patreon.  Patrons also get an extra hour of exclusive video content every week.

Bob, Janet and Zaq discuss the Joshua Amos missing persons case, and field questions from listeners.  We also hear about Zaq's interview on Janet's other podcast "The JV Club".  That episode is available now.  Go check it out on the JV Club podcast! Listen to every episode AD FREE, by joining our Patreon.  Patrons provide a large portion of the funding for the work done on Truth & Justice. Today's episode is sponsored by ZBiotics.  Go to ZBiotics.com/truth and use code TRUTH at checkout for 15% off of your first order.

Joshua Amos was last seen in East St. Louis, Illinois, at 7:28am on March 19, 2023.  He was last seen wearing a long sleeve light grey T-shirt, blue jeans, and black Adidas shoes.  Anyone with information on Josh's whereabouts are asked to call 911, or the Washington Park Police at 618-874-0115. There will be a search effort on Tuesday July 18th, and the family and police are asking for volunteers to assist.  Searchers should meet in the parking area at the Worldwide Technology Raceway, at 8am.  For updates on the case and details about the search efforts, click HERE to join the Bring Josh Home Facebook group. Join our Patreon community to get all episodes AD FREE, as well as an hour of bonus video content every week. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.  Give online therapy a try at BetterHelp.com/Truth and get on your way to being your best self with a 10% discount off of your first month.

In this first Follow-Up episode of Season 13, Bob and the gang explain how things are going to work as we embark on our new mission of providing crowdsourced help in missing persons cases.  We also answer a few lingering questions about Season 12, and Zaq shares some updates regarding the Delphi murders case. Listen ad free, and support the show, by joining Patreon! When you join, you'll also get a full hour of additional content every week, and a video version of the Friday Follow-Ups.

Bob reveals the subject of Season 13 of Truth & Justice, and presents a call to actions to listeners for our next journey. Email your submissions at Theories@TruthAndJusticePod.com Support the show, and get every episode Ad Free by joining our Patreon.

Bob, Janet and Zaq wrap up Season 12 in this final Pinyon Pines Follow-Up.  They share their thoughts and answer several listener questions about the case. Listen AD FREE by joining our Patreon! Today's Sponsor is BetterHelp.  Give online therapy a try at BetterHelp.com/Truth and get on your way to being your best self.

In this "Finale for now" episode of Season 12, Bob is joined by Robert Pape's sister, Christy Pape Somerville.  We hear a statement written by Robert and Cristin, and Christy talks about her journey through growing up with Robert, his arrest, his convictions, and her experiences living through a year and a half of the case being covered on Truth & Justice.

Today, Bob and Zaq discuss all of your "lingering questions" from this week's episode. Listen ad-free on Patreon! 

This will be the last episode where we go over alternative suspects, before the season finale next week. Listen ad-free on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice

Today, Bob, Zaq & Janet go over all the details and take your listener questions for Episode 62, "Neighbors". Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Throughout Season 12, we've established that Robert and Cristin could not have committed the Pinyon Pines murders. But if not them, WHO? Today Bob looks into a few more possibilities. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today Bob, Zaq and Janet go over "The Pinyon Pines Wrongful Conviction". Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today is the day where Bob sums up this case in a tidy package. This will be a single place for people with an interest in the case to reference going forward. Everything in this episode has been covered, in depth, through Season 12. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

We're Back! (...minus Zaq) Bob and Janet host today's Friday Follow-Up and take all your listener questions regarding, "Episode 61, We Killed Her". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob shares two very strange interviews. A friend of Becky's received an alarming phone call, from Becky's cell that became even more alarming . . . once he found out she had been murdered. These two interviews occurred on 9/27/06. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today Bob, Zaq, and Janet break down The State's Final Word and take your listener questions.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

We've reached the end of the 6-week trial. Today you're going to hear the last thing the jury heard.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today, Bob & Janet - sans Zaq - will take all your listener questions regarding Episode 59, Moore's Closing. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today you're going to hear Robert's attorney, Jeff Moore's, closing. He takes an interesting approach in his closing argument. Listen ad-free on Patreon. 

Today, Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss "Dolan's Closing". Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today we explore Dolan's final plea to the jurors.  Listen as free on Patreon!

Today, Bob, Zaq, and Janet go over all the details and take listener questions about the closing arguments from the Pape/Smith trial.  Support us on Patreon, and get every episode ad free!!

Bob breaks down ADA Aki's closing arguments from the Pape/Smith trial.  Support us on Patreon, and get every episode ad free!!

This week, Bob, Janet and Zack go over the details of the probable cause affidavit.  Listen ad-free on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice

In this bonus episode, we hear an interview between Investigator Vargas and Becky's friend Brandon Kugler-Harrison. The interview took place in 2013.

This episode will be a read-along of the Probable Cause Affidavit filed by Detective Gary LeClaire.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Today in our Friday Follow-Up, Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Marty's interview and field a lot of great listener questions! Don't forget that Patrons always listen AD-FREE!!

Today is the day where we tie up the last few loose ends remaining in the case against Robert and Cristin. We also get to hear from Robert’s cousin, Marty.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

This week we got to be a fly on the wall for Robert Pape's interview, and now, Bob, Janet & Zaq will discuss! Listen ad-free on Patreon at: https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice

Support us on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice This episode features the second half of Robert's October 2007 interview with Detective Gary LeClair.

On October 2, 2007 a search warrant was executed on Robert Pape's house. The search was a final attempt by Detective LeClair to find evidence worthy of filing charges. The only thing useful found in the search were two guns. A WWII era bolt action rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun. LeClair takes Robert into custody, and spends a marathon day interrogating him. This is part 1 of that interrogation. To support Truth & Justice on Patreon, please follow the link below. Thank you for your support! https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice

In today's Friday Follow-Up, Bob, Zaq and Janet go over all the details of "The Glock" episode. Now is a great time to become a Patreon sponsor! Sign up here! https://www.patreon.com/truthandjustice

In this week's episode, Bob takes a closer look into whether or not Robert or Cristin could have had access to the same kind of weapon used in the murders. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob, Zaq and Janet take all your listener questions about this week's episode: "Court of Public Opinion". Don't forget that Patreon members listen AD-FREE!

In this episode, Bob is taking us outside the courtroom and addresses some of the other attacks that have been waged against Robert and Cristin. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Welcome to the 50th Friday Follow-Up of Season 12. Today, Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Lois Robbins.  Listen ad-free by joining Patreon.

In our 50th episode, we hear from Lois Robbins. In this interview, we actually learn a lot about the type of person Investigator Ryan Bodmer is. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

With Janet back from assignment, she joins Bob & Zaq to discuss all the details of this week's Jeremy Witt testimony. The team takes a lot of great listener questions as they break down all the details and put them back together again.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

This bonus episode features most of Jeremy Witt's 2016 police interview. The first few minutes have been removed, because one of the detectives is moving the microphone around, making it hard to hear, and Bodmer is playing the 2011 anonymous call that you've already heard. He's asking Witt to verify it's him on the tape. The interview picks up right after Bodmer stops the tape. The full transcript is available on our website. The transcript includes the portion that has been removed.

In this episode you’ll hear Jeremy Witt, the man who testified as an informant for the prosecution…but not at the actual trial.  Listen ad-free on Patreon!

In this episode, Bob and Jack are joined by a special guest while Zanet is away! Welcome to the show, Production Manager, Erica Cantor! The trio will break down "Javi's Testimony" today in your Friday Follow-Up. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today we’re going to continue along our journey by covering the testimony of one of the state’s key witnesses.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This is your Friday Follow-Up for Season 12, Episode 47: Character. Today, Bob, Janet, and Zaq take your listener questions, and discuss all the details of this week's episode. Remember, Patreon members always listen ad-free! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this episode, Bob presents us with several key pieces of information. This info didn't necessarily fit into a tidy box, but it is all important to hear.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week we heard Bob break down more sector data info, and now... Zaq and Janet are joining him to break it down even further. Let's get down to it...  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this episode, we are going to dig a little deeper, by looking at the sector data as a whole.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this Friday Follow-Up, Bob, Janet and Zaq take listener questions and discuss all the interesting details of this week's (very popular) episode. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Did you hear about this week's BOMBSHELL? Be sure to listen to the ENTIRE episode. This one is SURE to break the internet.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this episode, Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss some things that popped up online this week, and they break down episode 44, "The Neighbors".  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this episode, we are going to hear from three of the neighbors we haven't heard from up until this point. Did any of them see any vehicles leaving the area on the night of the murders? Find out now. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Zaq's back...and today he joins Bob and Janet to answer your listener questions, and break down Cristin's second interview.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today we hear Cristin's second interview. This interview took place about four months after the first one. Transcripts will be available online. Tune in next week as we break it all down in the Friday Follow-Up.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob and Janet - sans Zaq - take a closer look at, "A Closer Look".  Be sure to listen all the way to the end for this week's stellar outtakes.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Using Bob's sleuthing skills and his background in firefighting, today we take a very detailed look into the Pinyon Pines fire. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob, Zaq and Janet are all back together to discuss Episode 41, The End of the Rainbow. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob continues on with the conclusion of LeClaire's transcript....but wait, there's more. Our goal today is to fully understand the relationship between the wheelbarrow track and the triple homicide. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob and Janet discuss LeClaire's testimony, sans Zaq. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, we take a closer look at how this investigation was conducted, from the viewpoint of the lead investigator himself. This is Season 12, Episode 40, LeClaire’s Testimony, Part 1.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, the whole crew is back together to discuss, "Stipulated". Bob, Janet, and Zaq take some great listener questions from the live chat, and the three have a fantastic and thought-provoking conversation.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Knowing what we know about the DNA evidence found on Becky's body, how exactly did the jury convict Robert and Cristin? This week, Bob presents us with his shocking revelations. Happy New Year from everyone at Truth and Justice! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This bonus episode features a 2015 interview with Beau Nash. Keep in mind as you're listening that 9 years have passed since the murders. You'll hear some conflicts between details in this interview and his 2006 and 2007 interview. For example, Beau says he was at Becky's house on Saturday night. He was actually there on Friday night. Confirmed by Javier, and also we know that Becky wasn't home on Saturday night. She was working at Denny's that night. These are expected memory fades, after 9 years. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s the FINAL Friday Follow-Up for Season 12, 2022!  Today, Bob, Janet and Zaq go over DNA expert, Suzanna Ryan’s, analysis.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob discusses the DNA evidence with DNA Analyst, Suzanna Ryan.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob and Janet are having an IRL Pinyon Pines, boots-on-the-ground, investigation and meet-n-greet; whilst Zaq is "all by himself". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In what is sure to be a much-talked-about episode, Bob discusses the State's main piece of evidence today... the business card.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob, Zaq, and Janet go over what was a very information-packed episode, "The Books". Don't forget that Bob will be live in California next week! For more details, check out our social media!  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob breaks down Jon & Vicki's finances. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq, and Janet start this episode with a few Delphi updates, and then they get into a great discussion of this week's episode, "The Why". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob takes your candid listener feedback to heart and presents to you, his "why". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss Episode 34, Jon and Vicki. They also take some great listener questions.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, we hear a series of interviews that should help us to move the ball forward. These interviews consist of several people who knew the victims very well.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob, Janet & Zaq discuss this week's full-length episode, "Chuck,". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today we hear an interview with someone we haven't heard much about yet, Vicki Friedli's ex, Chuck. Chuck paints a picture for us as to what was happening in Becky's life in the year, and even the weekend, before the murders. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss their thoughts about Ron Friedli, and his role in the Pinyon Pines case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This bonus episode features an August 4, 2015 interview with Ron Friedli and his wife Lesil. At this point and time Robert and Cristin had been arrested for the first time.

This bonus episode features a September 20th, 2006 interview with Becky's sister Drew.

This bonus features a police interview with Becky's sister, Tanya Friedli. It was recorded on September 19th, just two days after the murders.

Today we listen to an explanation regarding the financial settlements between Vicky and her ex-husband, Ron Friedli. Bob gives us his candid opinion on Ron's involvement in this case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob, Zaq, and Janet sift through the many details of family dynamics and interesting financial happenings in the lives of the victims. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

After all the info we gleaned from Tiffany last week, we are going to dive a little deeper into that relationship today. We will listen to some interviews between the sheriff's department and Tiffany in this episode. Looking forward to getting your thoughts in next week's Friday Follow-Up! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss their own thoughts about the family dynamics that were laid out in Episode 30, "Tiffany".  We are excited to hear your commentary about it on social media and in our Patreon group!

This bonus episode features Tiffany Teasdale's September 20th, 2006 Police Interview. Tiffany is Becky's half-sister, and was interviewed here, three days after the murders. This interview was not played in a main episode because the audio quality is almost unlistenable. The transcript for this interview is posted HERE on our website.

Today, we learn a lot more about the family dynamics after Bob thoroughly combs through an interview with Becky's sister, Tiffany.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob and Janet welcome back Zaq, who was on assignment last week. They discuss their thoughts about "The Mystery Hiker" episode, while commenting on listener feedback from the live chat.  Listen ad-free by becoming a Patron!

This bonus episode features a September 22, 2006 interview with Becky's friend Brandon Kugler-Harrison

In today's episode, we explore the possible identity of that "mystery hiker".  Was there really someone else planning to go hiking on that fateful day? And, if so, who was it?  We also hear some insightful interviews with three people we haven't really talked much about yet.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

While Zaq is out on assignment, Janet and Bob review the details of this week's episode, "Relationships".  You'll also get to hear Bob's emotional phone call with the, now free, Kenny Snow. You won't want to miss this! Thank you for all the generous donations for Kenny's transition home. You can donate to Kenny's Go Fund Me, here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/KennySnow?qid=b3bf631752d77498841721d6cf69e249 Listen ad-free on Patreon!

This bonus episode features a February 2007 Police interview with Becky's friend, Jeanie McDaniel. Jeanie shares some new details about Becky's relationship with Robert and with Javier in this interview. Is what she's saying accurate? It's up to you to decide.

After doing some deeper digging, Bob gives us a more concise analysis of the days we have covered so far, and then finishes off the details of the weekend. He also fill in some gaps and missing pieces, thanks to some great listener input. We also get introduced to a new "character" in this ongoing narrative. Thank you for your continued support in helping Kenny Snow transition home.  You can donate to the GoFundMe here:  https://www.gofundme.com/f/KennySnow?qid=b3bf631752d77498841721d6cf69e249 Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, not only does the crew field some great listener questions and comments, but they also get the privilege of sharing even MORE good news regarding the subject of a previous T & J season! Donate to Kenny Snow's GoFundMe to help him transition home: https://www.gofundme.com/f/KennySnow?qid=d3b36a612d09a8d25376faeffe78ee45 Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this week's episode, Bob starts by playing us a short police phone call with Javier, and then goes over the details of Becky's week.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, the crew goes over their thoughts about Episode 26, Family Ties. They also celebrate the good news about Adnan Syed's release from prison. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob gives us a hybrid episode where he analyzes a few police interviews that were conducted with family members of Becky's friend group. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today, Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss their thoughts on this week's hybrid episode, "The Road to Austin Alba". We also have a lot of good questions and comments from the chat. Be sure to stay tuned until the very end to get the group's real-time reaction to the latest news on Adnan Syed. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, Bob gives us the best of both worlds, with a combination of his classic narration style, and a very interesting interview with Austin Alba. This episode will be bringing our deep dive of the friend group to a close.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Let's hear what Bob, Janet, and Zaq have to say about Season 12, Episode 24: Beau Nash. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this second interview with Beau Nash, he rehashes the details of what he did on the night of the murders. You'll also hear things about Robert and Cristin that we haven't heard before.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon! 

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss this week's "spider web" of an episode, and they give us a some clues about what's coming up next week! As always, you can listen ad-free, support the show, and get exclusive behind-the-scenes content by joining our Patreon!

Today we hear Jessica Henry's police interview, in which she describes some of her odd interactions with - and observations about - Austin Alba. She also gives us more insight into Becky and Javier's relationship.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss their thoughts about this week's episode, the interview with Nick Crum. What do you think? Agree? Disagree? Let's discuss it on social media. And don't forget... you can always listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This bonus episode features another phone interview between Nick Crum and the Police. In this instance, Nick calls Detective Bodmer on June 13, 2016.

This bonus episode features Nick Crum's 3/25/15 interview with Police.

After hearing his name on the podcast, today's guest reached out to Bob to give us his insight into the Pinyon Pines case. This is Episode 22, an interview with Nick Crum.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

It's your Season 12, Episode 21 Follow-Up!  Bob, Zaq, and Janet keep pulling at that figurative ball of yarn...continuing to follow those breadcrumbs... and, of course, digging down into all the rabbit holes. Enjoy this episode ad-free at Patreon!

Bob continues to pull on the figurative "ball of yarn" to see what unravels. Today we hear an interview with someone we haven't heard from yet, Alex Foulan.... and it's not at all what we were expecting.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Ahoy friends! There are A LOT of listener questions that Bob & Zanet go over today while Jack is on assignment. Get ready for a Friday Follow-Up chock full of details. Want to listen ad-free? Join our Patreon!

Bob brings us more information and shares some interesting interviews with us in the Pinyon Pines case. We hear clips of Austin Alba, Beau Nash, Jacob Santiago, and Nick Coraline. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss their thoughts on all the discrepancies in this week's episode with the Cory Donovan interview. Listeners give their input and ask some great questions. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This episode may change everything you think you know about the Pinyon Pines case so far. Grab a pen and a notebook... and listen close. This is the interview with Cory Donovan.  Want to hear it ad-free? Join our Patreon!

Ahoy, Friends! Bob's back from assignment! Jack and Zanet are super excited to catch up with Bob about everything that took place in the Pinyon Pines case while he was away. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Becky's ex-Boyfriend, Jacob Santiago, was interviewed by police three days after her body was discovered. Becky had broken up with Jacob two days before the murders. This is Jacob's 9/20/06 police interview. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

It's the Truth & JUST US Friday Follow-Up! Zaq and Janet discuss everything that Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott laid out for them in this week's full episode, "The Doctors Return." Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Janet and Zaq steer the ship while Bob is away on assignment. Special guests, Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott from the L.A. Not So Confidential Podcast, join us today to discuss details of Javier's full interview. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq, and Janet go over the details of this week's fact-filled episode. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob dives deeper than ever into the Pinyon Pines case. We hear an interview with Sam Gayer, friend of Robert and Cristin. We also get to be co-pilots on a virtual, minute-by-minute breakdown of the route down the mountain. Want to listen ad-free? Join our Patreon!

Today Bob, Janet and Zaq chat about the plethora of information we heard in Javier's full interview. They also share a West Memphis Three update.  Want to listen to every episode ad-free? Join our Patreon!

Today we hear Javier's full interview. Grab a pen and paper, because this one is chock-full of information.  Want to listen ad-free? Join our Patreon!

Today you'll hear Bob, Zaq & Janet talk more about the WM3 ruling, as well as all the details of this past week's episode. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the events of last week. The way Supporters were treated at the hearing, the ruling and the next steps in our fight for the truth.

This week, we listen to two interviews with Javier to see what additional info we can gather. What are your thoughts? Be sure to tell us on the Truth & Justice Instagram page! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In a rare, night-time recording of the Friday Follow-Up, Bob & Zap join Janet as they have a lively discussion about the phone pings and cell phone tower data. Listen ad-free by joining Patreon!

Last week, Bob gave us a thorough analysis of the cell phone records of everyone involved in the case, but this week, we go even further down the habit hole. Don't be surprised if you have some lightbulb moments during this episode. Be sure to post your questions, comments, and epiphanies on our social media! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Janet is back from Europe and joins Bob and Zap to discuss the phone records. The online chat is bursting with listener questions and comment that you won't want to miss!

This bonus episode is raw and unedited. In this week's main episode Bob asked listeners if they would like to hear the conversation he had with Cell Expert, Ian Patterson. A lot of listeners wanted to hear it, so here it is. Please forgive the roughness of the sound quality. This is for reference purposes and is not edited as a normal episode.

It's time to review the cell phone records of the key players involved in this case. Grab a pen and a note pad, put on your best listening ears...because we've A LOT of things to talk about. Want to support the show AND get all episodes AD-FREE? Join our PATREON!

Janet joins Bob and Zaq from across the pond to chat about Bob's final episode with Jim Clemente. They also clear up a few questions and concerns from listeners. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Today's the day you've been waiting for... the third and final installment of Bob's chat with former FBI profiler, Jim Clemente. Will they finally see eye to eye on who the real target was and the killer's level of criminal sophistication? Or will they agree to disagree? Want to hear this episode ad-free, as well as get lots of perks and bonus content? Join our Patreon!

Bob and Zaq are joined by Janet as she's "on assignment" in the UK. The crew discusses Bob's previous episode with Jim Clemente, fielding some listener comments and reactions. What will the Jim Clemente part 3 finale bring? Tune in on Sunday to find out! Last day for buying your Test The F**cking Evidence t-shirts is today! GET IT NOW! Want all your episodes ad-free, with exclusive bonus content? Join our Patreon!

Bob continues his discussion with former FBI profiler, Jim Clemente. One of them sees a level of criminal sophistication in the Pinyon Pines murders. The other thinks the killers were amateurs who botched the job. Now, what do YOU think? Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss the Jim Clemente episodes so far, and the gang receives some ground-breaking insights from our listeners. Want to listen to every episode, ad-free, and get access to exclusive content? Join our Patreon!

Today, Bob is joined by former FBI profiler, Jim Clemente. They discuss the details of the case in order to narrow down who the target may have been.  Want to listen ad-free? Become a Patron!

In this episode, Bob goes through the autopsy reports, which are...pretty short, for lack of a better word. However, they do give us a slightly better idea of the damage sustained to the bodies in the fire.  As always, you can go to our website, truthjusticepod.com, for photos, documents, and more info.  Want to support the show? Join our Patreon!

Bob, Janet and Zaq discuss the fires more in-depth. They contemplate where they may have started, and the possible order of events. And as always, they take some great listener questions. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In today's episode, Bob uses his experience as a firefighter to break down all the details of the fatal Pinyon Pines fire. Where did the fires start? What was the point of origin? Listen now to find out the answers to your questions. Want access to exclusive, behind-the-scenes content on the Pinyon Pines case and more? Join our Patreon!

Today's episode is a follow-up to the bonus JonBenét Ramsey live show you heard with Bob, The Captain, and Kelli.  Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss details of the JonBenét Ramsey case, CrimeCon highlights, and they even take a few Pinyon Pines questions.  Ready to join the Truth and Justice Army? Join our Patreon for exclusive content!

Welcome to the live show, from Grand Rapids, MI! Bob, The Captain, and Kelli discuss one of the most-hotly debated cases in America. Want the full show? Join our Patreon for exclusive access! Visit today's Sponsors: Better Help, June's Journey, Topic, and The Jordan Harbinger Show!

Bob, Zaq and Janet go over some more details of the crime scene, and some of this week's listener questions prove that the Truth & Justice Army is brilliant!  Visit our website at: truthandjusticepod.com Follow our new Instagram page @truthjusticepod Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Starting with the 911 call, Bob discusses the timeline of the night and the details of the crime scene. Who was the anonymous stranger in the truck that firefighters saw while en route to the house? Why did investigators miss so many pieces of potentially crucial evidence? Listen now, as Bob breaks down even more details of this very complicated case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Zaq join Janet for a YouTube Live to discuss some questions that linger about the case. What's the story with the money? Who was Becky living with her Senior year? Listen now to hear their thoughts.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob takes a closer look into the victimology of Jon, Vicki and Becky. We hear never before heard interviews with Jon's co-workers, and their neighbors. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Back from "assignment", Bob and Zaq join Janet for a YouTube Live session to answer listener questions. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by two Forensic Psychologists, Dr. Shiloh and Dr. Scott, from the LA Not So Confidential podcast. The Docs have been kind enough to spend a week analyzing Robert Pape’s interview, and they’re here today to break down their thoughts. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and co-hosts take on social media questions while recording on YouTube Live.   Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

 As we continue to try to piece together Becky’s movements on the day of the murders, Bob shares two very important police interviews. First we hear from the source of the hiking trip info, Javier Garcia, Jr. Then we hear from Becky’s ex-boyfriend Robert, as he speaks to police about his plans with Becky. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss listener questions from both social media and Youtube Live. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob discusses the victimology of Vickie, Jon and Becky. We hear original police interviews that help to piece together Becky’s movements on the day of the murders. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Janet discuss listener questions over Youtube Live for the first Follow-Up in Season 12. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this Season 12 Premiere episode, Bob begins to the lay out the very basics of what is sure to be a complex case. On Sunday September 17, 2006, the small unincorporated community of Pinyon Pines, CA was rocked by one of the most horrific and baffling crimes that we’ve ever investigated on this podcast. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob interviews Jonesboro Reporter, George Jared. George has been reporting on the WM3 case since 2008. He sat through the entire Rule 37 hearing, and has the inside scoop on the latest developments. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the latest filing in the WM3 case, followed by fielding questions from a Facebook Live Q&A. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Zaq welcome Janet Varney onto the show in her first Follow-Up as a permanent co-host. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Andrew Collins speaks with Bob about the slippery slope that led him down the path of a corrupt police officer. He tells the story of how he framed an innocent man, and then later traded places with him in prison. His shocking story contains valuable lessons about how and why wrongful convictions happen. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take on listener questions for Mike's last episode behind the microphone. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob interviews Jesse Crosson. At 18 years old Jesse pled guilty to robbery and unlawful wounding, which carried a max sentence of 16 years in prison. The Judge however decided to make an example of Jesse, and sentenced him to twice the max penalty, 32 years. Jesse turned his life around in prison. He worked hard to earn a Bachelors degree, and committed his time to helping educate other prisoners. He even started a podcast called "Pre-Zen: Lessons from Lockup" while incarcerated. This past August, he was granted clemency from Governor Ralph Northam. He's now dedicated his life to prison reform, using his experiences from the inside to guide his quest. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Mike is out on assignment, so Zaq and Bob are joined by the amazing Janet Varney! The trio field questions from listeners about the Delphi Case, WM3, the Super Bowl Halftime show, and more. Make sure you stay tuned till the end for a HUGE announcement about the future of Truth & Justice. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

On the 5 year anniversary of the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, Bob invites Libby’s sister Kelsi on the show to take some time to remember Libby. The tragedy knows as the Delphi Murders has sent shockwaves of trauma throughout the world. Oftentimes lost in the shuffle is the family of the victims. Today’s episode is not a case discussion. Instead Bob wanted to hear more about Libby, and Kelsi’s life navigating these last 5 years. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer questions gathered from social media after Sunday's episode where Bob interviewed Lisa "Brat" Martinez in an update episode on the Pablo Velez case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by Pablo’s advocate and partner Lisa “Brat” Martinez to breakdown Harris County’s latest filing on the appeal. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions from Facebook and Youtube regarding MVac testing of the DNA in the Forgotten West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob interviews the President and CEO of MVAC Technologies. The MVAC system was created by Jared’s father and wasn’t originally used for DNA extraction. Jarred explains the origin of the technology, how it works, and how it may help to finally solve the WM3 case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after Bob's interview with Maggie Freleng. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by friend and fellow podcaster, Maggie Freleng. The two catch up on life in general, and dig into Maggie’s trials and tribulations creating “Murder in Alliance”. Also, Maggie lets us know about some up-and-coming projects. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys are back in the studio to take on listener questions on both Bob's interview with Josh Hallmark, as well as the recent developments in the West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by his friend and fellow investigative podcaster, Josh Hallmark. Josh is the creator and host of the podcast "True Crime Bullsh**." Recently, his efforts resulted in the identification of a John Doe and simultaneously solved a years-old missing persons case. He’s here to discuss. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this episode, the guys broadcast live over Youtube to take on listener questions. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by his mentor and friend-of-the-show, Jim Clemente. Jim is a former New York City Prosecutor and retired Supervisory Special Agent with the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit. He has now moved on to running his own production company, XG Productions. Jim joins Bob to discuss some of his most recent projects in the true crime space. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Bob's catch-up with Jesse Eldridge in Sunday's episode. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this emotional interview, Jesse shares his frustration over delays in his case. It’s now been over 2 years since Troy recanted his trial testimony, and Jesse still sits in prison waiting to make the case for his innocence. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after Bob's interview with Mara Leveritt, as well as address the major updates in the West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob interviews the well-known author, Mara Leveritt. Mara wrote the groundbreaking book “The Devil’s Knot”. The book represents several years of investigative work done by Mara, as she takes an extremely deep dive into the West Memphis Three case. Her book was later turned into a movie starring Reese Witherspoon. Mara continues to work on the case even to this day. Most recently she has filed FOIA requests with the WMPD asking for the location of evidence. Last week, she received a production finally that tells us what evidence is still available for testing and where it’s located. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike record the show on Facebook Live to interact with listeners on social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Jamie Snow was the subject of our Season 7. Since we wrapped Season 7, Jamie has continued to fight for his freedom. He joins Bob today to update us on his progress. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take any questions in this Friday Follow-Up after Sunday's episode where Bob caught up with Kim and Ed Ates. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the man who was released after spending 20 years in prison, in part thanks to the Truth & Justice Army. Ed Ates was convicted for the 1993 murder of Elnora Griffin. In September of 2018, Ed was finally allowed to walk free, while still maintaining his innocence. Bob checks in with Ed and his wife Kim to see how the last three years have been going. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In the last Follow-Up episode for Season 11, Bob interviews Pablo Velez. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob speaks with Pablo’s attorney, Herman Yue. Herman breaks down Pablo’s case, explains the path ahead, and asks for help from the Truth & Justice Army. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take on listener questions as Season 11 winds down to a close. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob reveals new evidence that paints a very clear picture of what actually happened outside of the Perfect Rack on 7/15/2004. We learn about evidence that connects the three main suspects to the crime, and what Detectives King, Swainson, and ADA Bogar KNEW about the dangerous men that they left on the streets of Houston. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike are back in the studio to answer listener questions gathered from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the forensics from the crime scene, Emerson’s autopsy report, and we hear from a key witness that never testified at trial. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

With Zaq back in the studio this week, the guys take on listener questions from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by eye witness, Claudia.  Claudia shares her first hand account of the night that Emerson was killed.  She came face to face with his killer, and her story about her interactions with Harris County DA Eileen Bogar will absolutely shock you. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, it's just Bob and Mike as they take on listener questions from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down all the reasons that the State’s case against Pablo Velez was a complete fabrication.  The Harris County DA’s office and the Houston Police Department had to lie and hide evidence in order to convict an innocent man. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike answer listener questions from social media after Sunday's episode broke down the State's case against Pablo Velez Jr. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the State's case against Pablo Velez, at his original trial. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's first dive into the Pablo Velez case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Pablo Velez, Jr. was convicted for the 2004 murder of 17 year old Emerson Bojorquez.  He was killed in a shootout at a Houston night club.  This is the story of how Emerson died . . . and where Pablo Velez was when it happened. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Sunday's episode where Bob looked into wrongful conviction case of Charles Raby. For more on this case visit savecharlesdraby.com.  Listen ad free on Patreon!

Bob breaks down the apparent wrongful conviction of Charles Raby.  Charles was interrogated by Detective Waymond Allen, with the Houston Police Department.  Much like Jennifer Jeffley, his interrogation led to Allen typing out a written confession, which Raby signed.  Years later forensic evidence seems to prove that the confession was false. For more on this case visit savecharlesdraby.com. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

The guys take on listener questions from social media after Bob's interview with Gillian Pensavalle of the True Crime Obsessed podcast. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Bob sits down with one of the Hosts of True Crime Obsessed, Gillian Pensavalle. A fun chat about dogs rolls into a very serious conversation about updates in the WM3 case, and the Gabby Petito case. Gillian helps draw attention to the hundreds of missing indigenous women in the same area where Gabby’s body was found. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

The guys take on listener questions after Bob's interview with Morgan Wright over his crowdsourcing technology app. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Bob interviews former State Trooper/Homicide Detective Morgan Wright.  Morgan spent his entire career in Law Enforcement.  He began in the Indiana State Police, and later moved on to consulting for multiple federal agencies.  Most recently he has developed some extremely powerful software that can be used to crowdsolve cold cases. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Bob and Mike take on listener questions after Bob's interview with Public Defender Chris P. in Sunday's episode. Listen ad-free on Patreon!

Bob sits down with a working Public Defender.  Chris P. shares his experiences working in the criminal justice system as a P.D. as well as his perspective on the criminal justice system as a whole, and even has some insight into the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad free on Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after Sunday's episode gave Bob's theory of who killed Catalina Palomino. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this Season 10 Finale episode, Bob shares his final thoughts on Jennifer Jeffley’s culpability in Catalina’s murder and delivers his current working theory. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions from social media as Season 10 winds to a close. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the State's closing arguments, and shares new leads in the case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike answer listener questions from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob circles back to the wallet, and then breaks down the full investigative efforts of Detectives Swainson and Allen, after they arrested Jennifer Jeffley. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys tackle listener questions from social media after Sunday's episode briefly covered the wallet and an interview with Laura Nirider on juvenile false confessions. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob spends the first segment of this episode delving into the discovery of the wallet, in Eva’s apartment.  After that Bob shares an interview first published on True Crime Binge with juvenile false confession expert, Laura Nirider. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener questions after Sunday's episode examined the circumstances around the "fake voice" in the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob circles back to do a deep dive analysis of the evolution of witness statements that led to the fake voice narrative. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener questions after hearing the second half of Bob's interview with Juan Mendiola. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

After taking a break, Bob and the Mendiolas sit back down and discuss more elements of the investigation into Catalina’s murder. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after the first half of Bob's recent interview with Juan Mendiola.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Catalina’s only living relative invites Bob into his living room to talk about the case. Juan and his wife share some valuable insights into Catalina’s months living at the Green Arbor Apartments. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener questions after Bob's recent updates in the Forgotten West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by Damien Echols, Lorri Davis and Lonny Sourey.  The pressure put onto the District Attorney’s office to test the WM3 evidence has finally come to a head.  Keith Chrestman is now backed into a corner, and is claiming that the evidence has been destroyed.  This episode presents the full picture of what’s going on, and let’s us know what to expect next. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener questions after Sunday's episode covering Detective Swainson and Creaig Peters. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the trial testimony of Detective Roy Swainson, and we hear directly from Craig Peters. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys tackle listener questions gathered from social media after Sunday's episode concluded Bob's discussion with Chris Doland.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Part 2 of Bob’s discussion with listener Chris Doland. In this episode Bob points out what he sees as flaws in Chris’ theory of the case, and lays out his own working theory. The two then work through the evidence and land on a reasonable working timeline. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

While Bob is on the ground in Houston, the guys have a remotely-recorded episode to answer listener questions.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by longtime listener Chris Doland. This episode speaks to the core values of the Truth & Justice crowdsourced investigation model. Bob & Chris often discuss their very different perspectives about the case on the Facebook Fan Page. One of the best ways to see the case from all angles is to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t agree with you. Chris offered to take the discussion onto the podcast, and Bob happily accepted the offer. The discussion that listeners will hear over the next two episodes are both meaningful and eye opening. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener questions from social media after Bob's recent look into the DA file in the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob digs through the DA file and reveals a lot of new information about the case. Have your notebooks handy!! Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after Bob's look at Redrock and Howson in the Jennifer Jeffley case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the details of Broderick Smith and Howson Ramm’s witness accounts. We look at their criminal records and assess them as suspects. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys take listener voicemails and questions after Bob's look into K.D. and his involvement in the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down KD's police statement, post-offense behavior, and criminal record. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener voicemails and questions surrounding Youngster in the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob evaluates Farrell Smith "Youngster" as a possible suspect in Catalina's murder. We hear about his pre-offense, during-offense, and post-offense behavior, including his full police statement and his criminal record. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after airing the second half of Jim Clemente's brainstorming session with Bob. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Jim continue their consulting session, now moving on to an in-depth discussion of the suspects/persons of interest in the case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike have friend of the show Janet Varney on to discuss listener questions gathered from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by retired FBI Profiler Jim Clemente. Jim has spent a week analyzing case materials. He has been given no information about any suspects. In this "fly on the wall" episode, Bob and Jim work through the evidence, and Jim delivers a profile of Catalina's killer. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's analysis of the second half of Detective Allen's trial testimony. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob shares some new information about the timeline and Jenn's window of opportunity, and then breaks down the second half of Detective Allen's testimony. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Bob's look at the first half of Detective Allen's trial testimony. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the first half of Detective Allen's trial testimony. In this episode we cover the direct examination. Next week, we'll move on to cross examination. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's Round Table Discussion episode. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob sits down with 5 listeners to discuss the case. Wes, Pamela, Cindy, Lynn and Kay all have different thoughts on the case. Listen in on a great discussion.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions focused on the shoddy crime scene investigation in the Jennifer Jeffley case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the crime scene investigation, evidence collection, DNA, hair, and finger print analysis, as well as new information on the timeline. Today's episode is more about what was ignored, than what was found by investigators.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike discuss listener questions concerning Catalina Palomino's wallet and her autopsy.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the details about the discovery of the wallet in Eva's apartment, and the medical evidence. Details in the autopsy strengthen the case for Jennifer's innocence.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's airing of interviews with Jennifer Jeffley and her mother. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week is all about getting to know Jennifer. Back in February Bob flew to Texas and met Jennifer's family. This week you'll hear her mother Jacquie explain what Jenn was like as a child and why they had to move to Houston. Then Bob shares his first interview with Jennifer, where he first got to know her.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike discuss listener questions from social media.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down Eva Mondragon’s statements and trial testimony.  He compares them to each other, and other witness statements which leads to a startling discovery. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions on the most recent developments in the Jennifer Jeffley case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob completes the full statement analysis, comparing Jennifer's confession to her previous statements and seeing how it compares to the actual evidence on the crime scene. With new information revealed, Bob poses the question to listeners: Did She Do It? Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Bob's latest breakdown of witness statements in the Jennifer Jeffley case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob overlays witness statements and timelines to determine exactly when Jennifer Jeffley arrived on the crime scene on the morning of Catalina's murder. We hear statements from Redrock, his friend, KD, Youngster, and Catalina's neighbor.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike address listener questions from social media after Bob's further breakdown of Jennifer Jeffley's first statement to police.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob begins the process of dissecting Jennifer Jeffley's police statements. In this episode we compare the statements of Apartment Manager Pam Wyly and Maintenance Man Keith Truesdale to Jennifer's first written statement. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions gathered from social media over the latest developments in the Jennifer Jeffley case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the details of all of Jennifer Jeffley's statements to police. Jennifer's written statements are voiced in this episode by Actress and Voice Over Artist Nyima Funk, who volunteered her time to help with this week's episode.  Be sure to check out Bob's other show True Crime Binge. This week's episode features Nic from the True Crime Garage podcast. Check the episode out to hear an in-depth discussion about the Delphi Murders. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Bob's breakdown of events over the first two days of the police investigation into the murder of Catalina Palomino, where fifteen year old Jennifer Jeffley is interviewed multiple times without a parent or lawyer present.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Over the course of 36 hours, 15 year old Jennifer Jeffley was interviewed by police multiple times without a lawyer or parent present. In this episode Bob walks us through the events of these two days, and the tactics used by Houston PD Investigator, Detective Waymond Allen. We hear from Jennifer's mother, as she describes what it was like being the parent on the outside of the police station, as the Detective coaxed Jennifer into making an incriminating statement. Make sure you check out Bob's new podcast True Crime Binge in between episodes of Truth & Justice. Every Wednesday Bob invites another true crime podcast host on to talk about their background, their production, and a case of the week. His most recent episode features Christine Schiefer from the And That's Why We Drink podcast. Bob and Christine break down the heartbreaking and triumphant story of Miriam Rodriguez, who set out on a mission to bring her daughter's killers to justice. And coming this Wednesday, Bob is joined by host of the True Crime Garage podcast, Nic, to continue his deep dive into the Delphi, Indiana murders of Abby Williams and Libby German. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Mike is on vacation this week, so Bob and Zaq are joined by guest host Janet Varney. Janet is a comedian, actress and voice actress. Best known for her roll as the voice of Korra on "The Legend of Korra." Janet is a longtime fan of the show, and does a fantastic job filling in for Mike, relaying your questions about our Season 10 premiere episode "Catalina" to Bob. Be sure to check out Bob's other great show, True Crime Binge wherever you get your podcasts. This week's guest was Christine Schiefer from the "And That's Why We Drink" podcast, and next week's episode features Nic from "True Crime Garage". Bob and Nic have a deep discussion about the Delphi, IN murders of Abby Williams and Libby German. New episodes drop every Wednesday. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Maria Catalina Palomino "Catalina" was murdered inside of her southeast Houston apartment on October 29, 1996. Bob studies Catalina's victimology, and breaks down the events of the morning including a step by step analysis of the murder itself. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions over the infamous Delphi murders after Bob's interview with Barbra MacDonald and Andrew Iden of the "Down The Hill" podcast. This episode is the last Friday Follow-Up of Season 9. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by HLN Investigative Journalists Barbra MacDonald and Andrew Iden. Barb and Drew host the "Down the Hill" podcast, where they take a deep dive into the February 13, 2017 murders of Abby Williams and Libby German. Abby and Libby were last seen in a wooded area in Delphi, headed towards the Monan High Bridge. Their bodies were discovered the next day. Libby managed to capture video and audio of her attacker. In the beginning it seemed as though justice would be swift in this horrific case, but four years later the case remains unsolved. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions over various topics after Bob's interview with the hosts of the Date With Dateline Podcast, Kimberly and Katie. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the hosts of the Date with Dateline Podcast, Kimberly and Katie. The three discuss the case of the murder of Brian Rein. Brian was found murdered in his Montana home in 1996, and to this day no one has ever been convicted for the crime. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike take on listener questions after Bob's interview with Mike Hixenbaugh from the "Do No Harm" podcast. Bob also shares an update on the Forgotten West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Investigative Reporter Mike Hixenbaugh joins Bob to discuss his hit Wondery Original podcast series "Do No Harm." The podcast follows the journey of two sets of parents who suffered through unthinkable hardships, as they fought to keep CPS from taking their children. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media, recording remotely while Bob is in the field investigating the upcoming case for Season 10. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by investigative journalist, Delia D'Ambra. Delia is the host of the "Counter Clock" podcast, and is here to share her investigations into two murders that occurred in her hometown.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's interview with Chris Lambert of the Your Own Backyard podcast, over the Kristin Smart case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the host of the "Your Own Backyard" podcast, Chris Lambert. Chris is on a mission to find Kristin Smart, and he's here to share his journey. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys welcome 2021 with a fresh Follow-Up over the Golden State Killer and Paul Holes, the investigator responsible who brought him to justice. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the man who never gave up on bringing the man of many names to justice. Joseph DeAngelo was known as the Visalia Ransacker, the East Area Rapist, the Original Night Stalker, and as the Golden State Killer. For decades Paul Holes continued the hunt until DeAngelo was finally brought to justice. Paul co-hosts the "Murder Squad" podcast with Billy Jensen, and he's here today to tell the story of how he caught GSK. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions with no specific category or case in mind for the final Friday Follow-Up of the year. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the host of the Someone Knows Something podcast, David Ridgen. David talks about his journey from filmmaking to podcasting, and spends time talking about all 6 cases that were covered on SKS. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions over the case of the mysterious death of Lauren Agee. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by Private Investigator and Podcaster, Sheila Wysocki. Sheila is here to discuss the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of Lauren Agee. Lauren was camping with friends, when she went missing. The next day her body was found floating in a cove. Police ruled the death an accident, but her family expects foul play. Sheila is on the case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media on the case of the murder of Jennifer Cave, which was covered on the Orange Tree podcast. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the hosts of the Orange Tree podcast, Haley Butler and Tinu Thomas. Bob, Haley and Tinu discuss the strange case of the murder of Jennifer Cave. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week's Follow-Up is a special episode of Bob and Weave about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Bob and Zaq bring on expert guests Tom Desenberg and Doug Bonham to talk thoughts and theories on this iconic case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the hosts of the Crime Countdown podcast. Together, Bob, Ash and Alaina break down some of the more bizarre theories about who killed Kennedy. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Zaq discuss their thoughts and theories on the Scott Peterson case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by psychologist Dr. Scott to break down the behavior of convicted murderer Scott Peterson. Dr. Scott is one of the hosts of the LA Not So Confidential podcast. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions surrounding the case of the disappearance of Maura Murray. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Maura Murray was a 21 year old college student in Massachusetts. On February 9th, 2004, Maura crashed her car in a remote area near Haverhill New Hampshire. She was spotted in her car alone, and then vanished. Since the night of the crash, there has never been a credible sighting of Maura Murray. Filmmakers Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna are on a mission to find Maura, and they join Bob this week to help break down the case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions gathered from social media over the Menendez brothers case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by one of the hosts of the True Crime Obsessed podcast, Patrick Hinds. We get to know Patrick, and dig into the complex case of the Menendez brothers. Lyle and Erik Menendez were convicted in 1996 for the 1989 murders of their parents. The conversation quickly shifts into a deep discussion about our prison system, and criminal justice reform. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's interview with podcaster Maggie Freleng on the Ryan Ferguson/Charles Erickson case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the host of the Unjust and Unsolved podcast, Maggie Freleng. Bob and Maggie break down the wrongful conviction of Ryan Ferguson, and focus mostly on the fact that his co-defendant Charles Erickson remains behind bars to this day. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions after Bob's interview with Justin Evans of the Generation Why podcast on the Kansas City Butcher. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by the host of the Generation Why podcast, Justin Evans. The guys discuss the reign of terror of one of America's most horrible serial killers. Robert Berdella kidnapped, raped and tortured at least 6 men from 1984-1987. Out of the tragedy of his brutal killings rose a hero that finally managed to bring him to justice. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions over the Casey Anthony case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by retired FBI Profiler and former New York City Prosecutor Jim Clemente. This week, Bob and Jim break down the heartbreaking story of the death of Kaylee Anthony, and the subsequent acquittal of her mother Casey. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's interview with Undisclosed's Rabia Chaudry over her coverage of the Greg Lance case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by one of the hosts of the Undisclosed podcast, Rabia Chaudry. Bob and Rabia discuss the wrongful conviction case of Tennessee man Greg Lance. Lance was convicted for the 1998 double homicide of Victor and Alla Kolesnikow. The murder had all the trappings of an execution, and the Kolesnikows' home was burned down to destroy evidence. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's interview with The Captain from the True Crime Garage podcast over the Brian Shaffer case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by a true crime legend "The Captain". Captain is one of the hosts of the True Crime Garage podcast. This week Captain joins Bob to discuss the mysterious disappearance of an Ohio State medical student named Brian Shaffer. In 2006 Shaffer was seen walking into the Ugly Tuna bar, and has not been seen since.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media over the Ivan Cantu case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by Matt Duff and Lizz Rose. Matt is the host of the Cousins By Blood podcast, where he is investigating Ivan's case. Lizz is no stranger to Truth and Justice. She appeared multiple times during Season 6, where we investigated the murder of her father and the wrongful conviction of her mother. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions over Bob's recent coverage of the Curtis Flowers case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob invites the host of the In The Dark Podcast, Madeleine Baran, on the show to discuss the case of Curtis Flowers. Flowers was convicted in 1997 for the murders of 4 furniture store employees, and sentenced to death. This bizarre and tragic case consisted of Flowers being tried for the same crime 6 times. His nightmare came to an end last week, when after 23 years the charges against him were finally dropped. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions in the final Follow-Up discussing the Pieringer case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down Deb's trial testimony.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions gathered from social media as Season 8 winds down to a close.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob covers three topics that have been on deck for future episodes in the Pieringer case. We cover information learned regarding the autopsies, a report written by Victim's Assistance Coordinator Sue Jacobson, and a deposition written by Deb's sister Brenda. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions as well as what the future of the podcast will look for the rest of Season 9 and beyond.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob shares Agnes’ prayer journal from September 12 through the morning before her murder. This episode ends with a tragic announcement. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Sunday's episode chronicled the first half of Agnes Courtney's prayer diary entries.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

A look inside the mind and heart of Agnes Courtney, in the months leading up to her tragic murder.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions on the Pieringer case after Sunday's episode, where Bob shared a letter written from Deborah to her sister Brenda.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob discovers a letter in the police file that was marked as a "File of Interest". We hear the contents of the letter, and breakdown what it tells us about the family dynamics of the Courtneys. The letter is also compared to the note that was stabbed into Smitty's pant leg. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike are joined again by Zaq to answer listener questions pulled from social media over the Pieringer case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by renowned Medical Examiner, Dr. Cyril Wecht to discuss the Courtneys' autopsies. We also get some updates from Bob's trip to Texas.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike tackle listener questions gathered from social media after Sunday's episode, where Bob interviewed Dr. Abalos, who was the Courtney's neighbor.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob reaches out to Dr. Margarita Abalos to discuss what she saw on the day the Courtneys were murdered. We also look a little closer at Emilio Villagómez. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

With Zaq back in the studio this week, the guys discuss listener questions over Bob's most recent episode in the Pieringer case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down all of the detectives' handwritten notes. We hear from a listener who formerly worked security at Target, and the computer forensic reports are analyzed.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike sit down in the studio to discuss listener questions over Bob's second interview with Dr. Angie Ambers.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

After reviewing the DNA reports, Dr. Angie Ambers reaches back out to Bob to break down what she's found. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys go over listener questions in a continuation discussion after Bob's dig into Detective Hardy's investigation in the Pieringer case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week NBI studios brings you a special bonus episode from Bob & Zaq's other show, "Bob and Weave." They are joined in the studio by Black Lives Matter Organizer, Jordan Giger. Jordan is an Organizer for the South Bend Indiana Chapter of BLM. The guys have a great discussion about what Black Lives Matter means, and how we can all come together moving forward to help make some positive changes. For those interested this is episode #28 of "Bob and Weave." Enjoy! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob and Zaq have a discussion over their thoughts on the Pieringer case so far, and Mike asks questions from listeners.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob continues to dig into Detective Hardy's investigation into Deb Pieringer. Stunning revelations lead to an emotional conclusion. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after the first half of Bob's break down of the FWPD investigation in the Courtney murders.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob begins a breakdown of the FWPD investigation into Deborah Pieringer.    Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions from social media after Bob's recorded interview with DNA Analyst, Dr. Angie Ambers. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined on the phone by the DNA analyst who originally brought the case of the Courtney Double Homicide to the Innocence Project of Texas. Dr. Ambers has spent a lot of time reviewing the case, and believes there are enough concerns to warrant a second look at Deborah Pieringer's conviction.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys cover listener questions over Bob's recent findings in the Pieringer case. Topics of discussion include Deborah's alibi, DNA evidence and wether or not a paring knife was the murder weapon.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the DNA evidence that implicated Deborah Pieringer in her parent's murders, and digs deeper into timelines, alibis, and alternate suspects. With listener help, we get much closer to determining time of death, and we finally have the answer to whether or not Agnes was napping.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys record another remote episode where they discuss listener questions over the latest developments in the Season 8 case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the testimony of Dr. Nizan Peerwani, who performed the autopsies of both Lloyd and Agnes Courtney. As the evidence is revealed, Bob is surprised by how these murders were actually carried out.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions after Bob's initial break down of the crime scene in the Pieringer case.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the trial testimony of Fort Worth Crime Scene Investigator Patrick Glads.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss their thoughts as well as listener questions about the crime scene information covered in the first episode of Season 8.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this Season 8 premiere episode, Bob begins our breakdown of the 2001 double homicide of Agnes and Lloyd "Smitty" Courtney. The Courtneys were murdered in their For Worth home. Their daughter Debbie Pieringer was ultimately convicted of their murders.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys record a remote episode where they discuss listener questions on the Forgotten West Memphis Three case, as exclusive coverage of Season 5 draws to a close. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob invites listener Wendell Maas onto the show to help break down and explain the timeline of David Jacoby and Terry Hobbs movements on the night Stevie, Michael and Christopher went missing. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week the guys record a Zoom call remotely to answer listener questions over the Forgotten West Memphis Three case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Part two of Bob's 2018 interview with David Jacoby. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Zaq and Mike discuss listener questions over the first half of Bob's 2018 interview with David Jacoby. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In 2018, Bob traveled to Arkansas to sit down with one of the most mysterious characters in the notorious West Memphis Three case. In this emotional interview, David Jacoby talks about the night that Stevie Branch, Christopher Byers and Michael Moore went missing. We hear about his interactions with Terry Hobbs, and the search for the boys. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys sit down to discuss listener questions over people of interest in the WM3 case, as well as the last part of the Oxygen docuseries, "The Forgotten West Memphis Three". Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down the final part of his TV docuseries "The Forgotten West Memphis Three". Persons of interest David Jacoby and Terry Hobbs are discussed. Bob ends the episode with a call to action, in an effort to convince DA Scott Ellington to release evidence for new testing.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys make another remote episode where they discuss listener questions surrounding Jim Clemente's discussion with Bob where they broke down Part 3 of 'The Forgotten West Memphis Three'. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by retired FBI Profiler Jim Clemente to break down Part 3 of The Forgotten West Memphis Three. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys discuss listener questions surrounding Bob's recap of Part 2 of the docuseries 'The Forgotten West Memphis Three' on Oxygen. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob breaks down and shares behind the scenes info on Part 2 of our docuseries 'The Forgotten West Memphis Three'. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

The guys answer listener questions remotely after Sunday's episode, which detailed Part 1 of Bob's TV series on Oxygen, The Forgotten West Memphis Three. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon! 

Bob shares the stories about how the TV series came to be. We hear some amusing stories about his first trip to Hollywood, the creation of Real Crime Profile, and the entire creative process.  In the second segment, Bob breaks down Part 1 of The Forgotten West Memphis Three series. Bob shares some behind the scenes stories not seen on the show. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq record a remote episode while on lockdown in their homes. They discuss listener questions surrounding the launch of Bob's Oxygen docuseries, The Forgotten West Memphis Three, and other topics on the their Season 5 case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In preparation for next week's release of our Oxygen Original docuseries, Bob recaps Season 5. Today's Sponsors: ritual.com/truth - Get 10% off during your first 3 months. myollie.com/truth - Get 50% off and a free bag of treats. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Bob sits down with Mike and Zaq to discuss listener questions over the second half of Bob's interview with Jason Baldwin. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

In this second half of Bob's 2018 interview with Jason Baldwin, Jason discusses his relationship with Jesse Misskelley, and his determination to solve the case that stole his life away. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq discuss listener questions surrounding the first part of Bob's 2018 interview with Jason Baldwin. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob continues his look back to Season 5 with the first half of an interview that he recorded with convicted WM3 Jason Baldwin in Austin in 2018. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week the guys discuss listener questions around Bob's never-before-heard interview with Damien Echols. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

During our break between seasons 7 & 8, Bob is taking us back to Season 5 for the next few weeks. This week's episode features an exclusive interview with West Memphis Three convicted Damien Echols. Bob travelled to New York at the start of Season 5 to conduct this never before heard interview. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week the guys discuss listener questions surrounding Bob's recorded recantation of Troy Eldridge. They also cover what this could mean for Jesse Eldridge, who is in prison for the murder of Keow Gove.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob keeps digging into Jessie's case, and finally breaks it wide open.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq discuss listener questions for the final Follow-Up episode of Season 7. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob takes us back through the journey that has been Season 7. We hear from special guests Jamie Snow, Danny Hartley and Nicole Snow. Our investigation into Bill Little's murder has had an unexpected effect on a lot of lives. Although we are done covering the case front and center on the podcast, our work behind the scenes will continue. This is not goodbye. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

This week, instead of a discussion between the guys, Bob interviews Jamie Snow, asking him listener questions pulled from social media. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is joined by Jamie Snow's attorney at The Exoneration Project. The two discuss revelations throughout the season, and expectations for Jamie's case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob sits down with Mike and Zaq to discuss listener questions after hearing Jim Clemente's take on the two Jeffs involvement in the Bill Little murder. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

As season 7 draws closer to a conclusion, Jim Clemente returns one last time to see how Miller and Durbin fit into our profile of Bill Little's killer.  Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq discuss listener questions after Bob's most recent interview with former FBI criminal profiler Jim Clemente. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Jim Clemente returns to the show to re-evaluate the Bill Little crime scene, and update our profile of Bill's killer. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob and Mike discuss listener questions gathered from social media surrounding the bizarre discovery that Bill Little's body may have been moved at the crime scene. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Listener research has led to a new discovery that completely changes the way we look at the crime scene. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq discuss listener questions gathered from social media surrounding Bob's interview with Danny Hartley's cousin, Michelle. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

A new FOIA request reveals details about the three armed robberies committed by Jeff Durbin and Jeff Miller in the summer of 1991. We also hear from a new witness with some startling new information about Bill moments before he was murdered. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob sits down with Mike and Zaq to discuss listener questions over the Bill Little case, in the first episode of the new year. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob is assisted by listeners as we zero in on Jeff Miller and Jeff Durbin's possible connections to Bill Little's murder. In true crowdsourcing fashion, the Truth & Justice Army has discovered some startling new evidence. We also for the first time hear some emotion from Jamie Snow. After spending 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, Jamie is frustrated and angry about what the police missed in the original investigation. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob, Mike and Zaq discuss listener questions after Bob's ground-breaking discoveries in the Bill Little case. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

An anonymous tip causes Bob to reconsider previously investigated evidence, leading us to a potential case solving theory. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!

Bob sits down with Mike and Zaq to answer listener questions surrounding the anonymous tipster's information about the stolen car on the night of Bill Little's murder. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon! 

After 28 years of mystery, Bob receives a tip that represents the first solid lead in the Bill Little case in decades. If nothing else...a 28 year old crime has been solved. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon! 

Bob sits down with Mike and Zaq to discuss listener questions after Sunday's episode, where we heard from Jamie Snow. Listen ad-free by joining our Patreon!