Bad With Money With Gaby Dunn

Bad With Money With Gaby Dunn

By Gaby Dunn

Feelings, finance, and the f*cking system. Comedian and New York Times best-selling author Gaby Dunn (aka America’s Deadbeat Sweetheart) unapologetically examines the intersection of finances and social justice. Every week, Gaby brings a queer, feminist, unabashedly radical point of view to conversations with journalists, politicians, activists, and fellow deadbeats.


Rocket To The Moon (Space And Its Economy)

Gaby makes a final decision. Is it time to uproot her life and build a new one outside the U.S.? But wait! There's one more destination we want to explore as we wrap season 5. How expensive would it be to live... ON THE MOON? First, Gaby talks to scientist and aerospace engineer Kathleen Howell, a total badass who works with NASA, about the achievements and restrictions of living, working and colonizing the moon and in the space between the Earth and the moon. Then, she speaks with The Verge’s senior science reporter Loren Grush about space capitalism. Finally, Gaby nerds out with friend and sci-fi writer Garrick Bernard about Star Trek’s lack of currency and a future where knowledge replaces money. This is the final frontier for Bad With Money season 5. Stick around until the end of the episode for news about season 6!
26/02/2058m 17s

I'm Outta Here! Wait. No. Maybe. Is It Worth The Cost? (Listener Experiences Abroad!)

After YEARS of only getting snippets of listeners’ stories on social media, Gaby finally calls up a few members of her Bad with Money family. Is it worth saving your money to move abroad? How much would you sacrifice to leave the U.S.? We hear experiences from three listeners: Madeline Christensen from Texas, Madison Walsh from Kansas and Gabriela Marrero from Pennsylvania.    Madeline has her mind set on fleeing to Europe, Madison refuses to settle anywhere, bouncing from country to country and Gabriela moved abroad, but returned to America with a powerful sense that she needed to be present to help change her country for the better. Bad with Money family… Let's chat! Gaby needs your advice!
19/02/201h 2m

Let’s Move To Paris! (The Cost Of The City Of Love)

Gaby contemplates what it’s like to live in Paris, a place most tourists would call “romantic as heck.” Why is Paris such a hub for love and how much would it cost for Gaby to take her partner Mal Blum there on a date? First, Gaby talks to Chris O’Brien, a journalist living in France, who happens to share a name with her ex-boyfriend. (Yikes!) And then she lays out a date night plan for her beloved Mal. Would they like to visit or even live with Gaby in France? Happy Valentine’s Day, deadbeats!
12/02/2034m 15s

Cost of Being LGBTQ or Black Abroad

What’s it like to travel and live outside the U.S. when you're at high risk for harassment? Gaby talks with queer travel writer Meg Ten Eyck about what should you invest in for safety and what information you need to know before you move or even visit a new country as someone that is queer, gender non-conforming or another member of the LGBTQ community. Plus, find out why countries should be marketing to LGBTQ tourists. Then, we talk to Timothy Anderson, a black teacher from Tennessee, who moved to Japan and regularly finds himself sticking out like a sore thumb. What’s it like to live in a country where you’re one of very few black people? CONTENT WARNINGS: homophobia, racism and sexism
05/02/2047m 54s

Gaby’s Escape Plan (Expats and Spain)

Gaby plots her escape plan by talking to Malte Zeeck, founder of InterNations and a German-born expert on expat communities, about the costs of moving abroad and how to find the right place for you. Then, she hears first-hand from Danielle Roberge, an American who moved to Spain and found that lower salaries were a fair trade off for better work-life balance and social safety nets. What are the biggest factors to consider before moving abroad? How much might it cost and what steps do you need to take? Let’s find out!
29/01/2047m 26s

Chinese Symbols of Wealth

Gaby explores the lack of money taboos in Chinese culture with TV writer Jessica Gao. Gao, who was born in China, explains the ways her mother shares every last detail of how much Jessica is making. Why are people so open about how much things cost, how much they’re earning and how much they LOVE money in Chinese culture? Then, Gaby welcomes back Andrew Ti, friend of the podcast and "Yo! Is This Racist?" co-host, to talk about the differences between Chinese and Chinese-American wealth displays. Happy Chinese New Year, everyone! Here, have a red envelope of cash!
22/01/2032m 28s

What If You Live Nowhere? #VanLife

What if the answer isn’t choosing where to live, but rather choosing to live nowhere? Gaby speaks to Rachel Wilson and Natalie Frizza, two members of Australia’s nomad community -- people who have chosen to live and raise kids in converted campers, vans and buses. Gaby explores what that daily life looks like, the cost of living and who tends to be able to experience that lifestyle. (Hint: White people, mostly.) Then, she talks to Melody Warnick, author of This Is Where You Belong: Finding Home Wherever You Are about the concept of “home.” Trigger Warning: Brief misophonia around 31 minutes in. (Sorry! It’s short!)   Rachel Wilson - Natalie Frizza -
15/01/2054m 8s

Faith & Money (Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism)

Gaby invites a Tibetan Buddhist monk to be on his very first podcast! Gyaltsen Chopel discusses how Buddhism functions to deprioritize money altogether -- and his work as a caretaker who handles day-to-day expenses and donations made to a Buddhist temple in Los Angeles. It’s not the conversation you’d expect from a monk! Then, Gaby calls India to speak to assistant professor of Hindu Studies, Dheepa Sundaram, about how Hindu culture views community, money, technology and wealth.
08/01/2047m 1s

Have A Lucky New Year!

In the Philippines, kids jump at midnight to get taller. In Romania, you should pay off all your debt to ensure good fortune in the New Year. Join Gaby as she digs into New Year’s Eve superstitions -- and money superstitions -- with Philippines based writer Katrina Escalona and Romanian studies lecturer Julieta Paulesc. Come on, it can’t hurt to be a little superstitious in 2020! We need all the luck we can get!
01/01/2044m 42s

Gifting Money: Why We Give And Get $$$

Did you get money as a gift this year? Bet you're not alone. In this episode, Gaby explores the deeper cultural significance behind gifting money during celebrations. First, she calls up her dad, Marc Dunn, to talk through some of their own family traditions. Like, why do the Jews give money in multiples of 18? Then, she speaks with Kole Ade Odutola, a Nigerian-born professor at the University of Florida, about the economy of affection, spraying money on a bride and groom during weddings and how to understand your own value when leaving your home country.
25/12/1944m 58s

What Work Looks Like: The Netherlands Versus South Korea

Gaby explores work-life balance in The Netherlands, which has some of the world's shortest work hours, and in South Korea, which has some of the longest.    First, she speaks with expat Jovi Paredes about the emphasis on vacation and mental health resources in The Netherlands. Then she talks with LA Times Seoul correspondent Victoria Kim about the persistant boss-employee hierarchy and emphasis on constant work in South Korea.     This episode is all about work, work, work, work, work, work.
18/12/1947m 22s

Should I Hate Germany?

As the grandchild of a Holocaust survivor, Gaby explores her extremely complicated feelings about Germany. In order to take a modern look the country and consider whether she could live there today, she speaks to Berlin-based journalist Jill Petzinger about the German preference for paying in cash and distaste for debt. Then she chats with American expat Dana Newman about coming to terms with Germany’s dark past. And finally, Gaby listens to an old conversation with her late grandmother about her experiences in Nazi-occupied Europe.   TW: anti-semitism, Holocaust and allusion to sexual assault   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
11/12/1953m 29s

The Happiest Countries On Earth

Gaby explores the places that always top the “Happiest Countries on Earth” lists. First, she chats with writer and friend Kate Jones, a queer Vietnamese comedian who lives in Switzerland about the country’s pros (high salaries, social safety nets, beautiful scenery) and cons (racism, homophobia). Then, Gaby calls up Helsinki Bloomberg News Bureau Chief Kati Pohjanpalo to talk about money and modesty in Finland, the Finnish perception of America and why Finland is the happiest country on Earth.   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
04/12/1945m 15s

Why Are Only White Guys Obsessed With The Penny?

Before Gaby searches abroad for a new place to live, she first wants to understand the whys of currency. Specifically, the whys of an American coin she has a real problem with: The penny. Gaby deviates from her “no straight cis white men guests” rule to talk about hating the penny with New York Times reporter Binyamin Appelbaum. Then, she gets into the general inaccessibility of American money with blind filmmaker James Rath. When it comes to cost and to disability, U.S. dollars and coins need a serious update.   This episode is sponsored by State Farm ( and Worthy (
27/11/1925m 41s

Bad with Money Goes International!

We’re back and this time, Bad With Money is going international! In season 5, we're breaking down what money means around the world! Meanwhile, Gaby seriously considers whether she wants to build a new life abroad. Would she be happier and less financially stressed living in another country? In this premiere episode, we dig into the meaning of money in the U.S. with sociologist Dr. Viviana Zelizer and some of Gaby's American friends. Then, we hear voicemails from international listeners and chat with a fan from the U.K. about her perceptions of America. Do all Americans just want to be rich?!   This episode is sponsored by Policygenius (
20/11/1926m 42s

Bonjour, Fellow Deadbeats!

Gaby is back! Season 5 of Bad with Money returns November 20.    This time, we're looking at what money means in America and around the world. We'll get the real scoop from foreign correspondents and ordinary folks who've started their lives over in other countries.    Anyone else ready to have their mind blown?
13/11/193m 4s

How's Gaby Doing? (w/ Gaby Dunn's friends & family)

For the finale of Season 4, Gaby gets personal and explores the big changes of the last 3 years with help from her comedy partner Allison Raskin, her sister Cheyanne Dunn, her former producer Sam Dingman, and her parents Marc and Caryn. She gets their honest assessment of how she's doing...unpacks all sorts of family drama... and talks about what she'd do if she got really rich.  This episode is sponsored by StitchFix and Reset Retirement.
31/07/191h 4m

Student Loan Advice from NJ Secretary of Higher Ed Zakiya Smith Ellis

Gaby talks to education superstar Zakiya Smith Ellis, a millennial who's also the Secretary of Higher Education for New Jersey. They talk about how college debt has gotten so out of hand...making community college free... the tricky things universities do to make students feel like they're getting a "deal" on tuition... and the freedom of giving up on a "dream school".
24/07/1959m 19s

Generational Wealth & Latinx Money (w/ Ramona Ortega)

Gaby talks generational wealth and money management with Ramona Ortega, the founder of online money management tool "My Money My Future/ Mi Dinero Mi Futuro". They discuss specific money concerns of Latinx people, the difference between income and wealth, and facing money fears and taking action. This episode is sponsored by ZipRecruiter and Thirdlove.
17/07/1951m 33s

Women on 20's (w/Barbara Ortiz Howard)

Why aren't there any women on American paper money? Gaby talks to Barbara Ortiz Howard, the cofounder of the "Women on 20s" campaign, that successfully (or so we thought) lobbied the Treasury to replace slave trader Andrew Jackson with freedom fighter Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill. They discuss Tubman's amazing life, the history of American currency, and the DIY options for getting rid of Jackson.  This episode is brought to you by History the Shequel on Stitcher Premium.
10/07/1945m 45s

Money in Concentration Camps (w/Santi Elijah Holley)

Gaby talks to journalist Santi Elijah Holley about his terrifying article in Topic Magazine, "The Hidden History of Holocaust Money." They discuss the little-known currency produced by the Nazi party for Jewish ghettos and death camps during WWII, how history echoes in the present day, and what it means to commit to "Never Again". This episode is sponsored by Podswag.
03/07/1941m 10s

Living on $2 a Day (w/ Kathryn Edin)

Could you get by in the USA on $2 a day? Millions of people in the US are living that reality today. Gaby talks with Princeton University poverty researcher Kathryn Edin, co-author of $2 a Day: The Art of Living on Virtually Nothing in America. They discuss the end of cash welfare, debunking poverty myths, and what people are doing to survive.This episode is sponsored by Care/Of. For 25% off your first Care/of order, go to and enter promo code MONEY
26/06/1947m 31s

Death and Money (w/ Chanel Reynolds)

Gaby talks to founder Chanel Reynolds about the two things that scare people the most - money and death. Chanel was widowed in 2009 and was totally unprepared for what came next. She talks to Gaby about planning for the unexpected, and why keeping your head in the sand isn't the best approach. Chanel's new book is "What Matters Most: The Get Your Shit Together Guide to Wills, Money, Insurance and Life's What-ifs".This episode is sponsored by Honeybook (promo MONEY) for 50% offThirdLove Experian Boost
19/06/1956m 5s

Medicare For All?! (w/Shefali Luthra)

This week Gaby explores the sickly U.S. health care system - the U.S., one of the only developed countries on the planet where you can easily go bankrupt from medical expenses! Democratic candidates for president are saying that it shouldn't be this way. Gaby talks to Kaiser Health News reporter Shefali Luthra to get the lowdown on the various proposals for universal health coverage - including Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All- and how they could transform not just the doctors and hospitals, but the economy overall.This episode is sponsored by ZipRecruiter.
12/06/1939m 40s

Gen Z in The Workplace (w/ Joy Shan)

Joy Shan of The California Sunday Magazine talks to Gaby about her reporting on Generation Z, one year after the oldest Gen Z's entered the workforce. Joy is a young millennial, but found that there really are differences between her and Gen Z when it comes to work. The job landscape is shifting - part-time work is on the rise, well-paying entry-level jobs are on the decline, and the gig economy is everywhere. They discuss the trauma of the Great Recession in childhood, new college programs teaching Gen Z'ers how to gig and still make a living, and how generations are not monoliths.Read Joy's story here: 
05/06/1946m 3s

Broke Millennial Takes on Investing (w/ Erin Lowry)

Gaby wades into the scary waters of investing with the help of the "Broke Millennial" - aka Erin Lowry. She talks about how to take the first step with investing, breaks down some of the tricky terminology, explores how to stick to your principles when investing your money, and explains why language really matters when it comes to investing... not SAVING... for retirement. Her new book is called "Broke Millennial Takes On Investing: A Beginner's Guide to Leveling Up Your Money."This episode is sponsored by Honeybook - (promo code MONEY), Experian Boost ( and VitaCup
29/05/1957m 1s

High Rent, Low Wages, and Overtime (w/ Rep. Mark Takano)

Gaby brings on a US Congressman to try and bridge the gap between Congresspeople and The People. Representative Mark Takano is a Democrat from Southern California and he talks about his report on the skyrocketing cost of rent, how Wall Street firms are getting rich by becoming landlords of single family homes, some of the ways that federal laws could be helping with housing costs and wage stagnation, and how the Trump administration is thwarting those efforts. This episode is sponsored by  - use code BWM for 15% off - new customers get 15% offInstacart - download the app or use and get $10 off your first order with promo code BADWITHMONEY
22/05/1946m 18s

Let’s Join a Money Cult! (w/ Vicki Robin)

Vicki Robin is an OG financial guru and Gaby turns to her for financial and spiritual advice this week. How do you translate your life energy into money? How is your community a part of your financial wealth? Vicki's book "Your Money or Your Life" was a huge bestseller in the early 1990s, and was just revised and re-released in 2018. Vicki has been financially independent since the 1970s and shares her wisdom about FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early), actual fire (learn to build one!) and how your spending habits are connected to higher consciousness. Groovy!This episode is sponsored by:ZipRecruiter - listeners can try it for free at - listeners get 15% off with the code BWM  
15/05/1952m 52s

The Credit Sharks Are Circling (w/ Marcus Garrett and Rich Jones)

Why is it so easy to get into debt, and so hard to get out? Gaby talks to Marcus Garrett and Rich Jones, hosts of the podcast Paychecks and Balances, about their experiences with both making money AND getting out of debt. Marcus tells the story of a $26,000 weekend spending spree that took him seven years to pay off, and they both talk about what it means to be some of the only black men in the financial guru game.They're on twitter and Instagram @PayBalances This episode is sponsored by:HoneyBook - Go to and use promo code MONEY for 50% off your first year.Vitacup - Visit to learn more and save 20% off your order.
08/05/1953m 15s

Scraping by on 600K (w/ Rachel Sherman)

Gaby fangirls hard for a sociology professor in this episode all about the lives of the The One Percent. Professor Rachel Sherman teaches at the New School for Social Research and talks all about her book "Uneasy Street: The Anxieties of Affluence," based on dozens of interviews with some of the wealthiest people in New York. (Rachel adapted her book into a 2017 New York Times article called "What the Rich Won't Tell You that blew Gaby's mind.)This episode is sponsored by Instacart: (free delivery on your first order with code BADWITHMONEY)Experian Boost  ThirdLove (for 15% off your first order visit
01/05/1947m 17s

Earning That Private Island (w/ Suze Orman)

Gaby faces off with fellow queer money lady Suze Orman, to learn about how Suze got her start and eventually became one of the most successful financial gurus of our time. They talk about the basics of saving, about financial abuse, and about the sportfishing Suze enjoys... on her own private island. This episode is sponsored by The National Network of Abortion Funds (, VitaCup ( and the DoorDash app (promo code BADWITHMONEY). Additional music courtesy of 
24/04/1950m 38s

A Message From Your Fellow Deadbeat

Bad with Money Season 4 is almost back and it’s better than ever! We’re taking a deep dive into some big issues, with awesome guests including Suze Orman, Marcus Garrett and Rich Jones, Broke Millennial Erin Lowry, and so many more smart folks (and the occasional deadbeat!) Mark your calendars with a big red pen, Bad With Money will be back on Wednesday, April 24th!
19/04/193m 4s

BONUS: Introducing Just Between Us

Bad with Money will be back with an all-new season on April 24th! In the meantime, check out Gaby’s new podcast Just Between Us, based on her and Allison Raskin’s popular YouTube channel. The co-dependent besties bring laughter to life’s toughest and sometimes most ridiculous situations by asking thought-provoking questions, playing games, and dipping into serious topics around relationships, mental health, money, and sexuality.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
13/03/193m 31s

Suze Orman Guests On Bad With Money (A Teaser For Season 4)

Bad With Money returns for season 4 in 2019. In the meantime, get the Bad With Money book on Jan 1 and come see the Bad With Money live shows in January. In this teaser, Gaby talks to legendary queer finance guru Suze Orman. She is freaking out.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
27/12/187m 43s

Myths and Grossly Inaccurate Labels (aka "Millennials")

Gaby gets behind the snowflake, participation trophy bullshit and gets real about this generation. Kimberly Quick, senior policy associate at The Century Foundation breaks down the false labels that millennials get. You can read her piece about this topic here. Next, we get into the economic realities that the millennial generation faces today with Michael Hobbes, a reporter at Huffington Post. You can read his piece, Generation Screwed. And finally, writer and editor Nona Willis-Aronowitz has decided that after years of covering millennials for various news outlets, she's no longer using the term. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
18/07/1845m 29s

The High of the Buy (aka Shopping Addiction)

Gaby talks to a compulsive buyer to understand the real motivations for over-shopping. April Benson, one of the leading psychologists who helps compulsive buyers, introduces us to the emotional and psychological reasons for shopping. And to get a personal look at it, Avis Cardella, author of "Spent: Memoirs of a Shopping Addict," talks about her own experience and motivation for compulsive buying. Finally, because our culture seems so addicted to shopping, Lan Nguyen Chaplin gives us some insight into where that comes from: spoiler alert, we learn it as children. TW: One of the guests in this episode refers to "the two genders." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
11/07/1845m 43s

An Improbable Ray of Hope (aka Campaign Finance)

Gaby gets a primer on small dollar donors, and some practical advice for running for office. We hear a lot of conflicting information when it comes to the giant gobs of money that pay for politicians to campaign. So what's actually true? Josefa Velasquez, who reports on money and politics for Sludge explains what's going on with money and campaigns this year. Rachel Shorey, from the New York Times takes a closer look at the big spenders in politics. And finally, Amanda Litman, co-founder of Run For Something is helping young progressives (yes, even people without billions of dollars to spend on their own campaigns) get into office. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
04/07/1849m 39s

Changing the Narrative (aka Economic Mobility)

Gaby takes a look at the stories we tell about poverty. Tanvi Misra, a writer at CityLab sets up the stark statistics that make up our economic mobility reality. Alana Semuels, a staff writer at The Atlantic takes a look at how those statistics play out in the South. Alissa Quart, executive editor of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project, and author of "Squeezed: Why Our Families Can't Afford America" breaks down the myth of the middle class. And finally, Nisha Patel, who served as the executive director of the U.S. Partnership on Mobility from Poverty gives us a glimpse at how to change the narrative. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

This Thing We All Made Up Together (aka Cryptocurrency)

Gaby gets an existential perspective of cryptocurrency. Angela Walch, associate professor at St. Mary's University School of Law gives us a healthy dose of skepticism about cryptocurrency's potential to save the world. Laura Shin, cryptocurrency journalist and host of the podcasts Unchained and Unconfirmed, gives us a snapshot of how inclusive the industry is today. And Tavonia Evans, founder of Guap Coin has a vision for a future where cryptocurrencies could benefit communities of color. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
20/06/1847m 49s

Think Before You Open Your Mouth (aka the Food System)

Maybe you don't consider how your meal is contributing to oppression. But at Bad With Money, we're here to tell you, it might be! To learn more, we turned to some incredible guests: Malik Yakini is the executive director of the Detroit Black Community Food Security Network, which aims to promote food sovereignty for communities of color in Detroit. Amani Olugbala is both an alumna and now facilitator of the Black and Latinx Farmers Immersion Program at Soul Fire Farm in Upstate New York. And in New York City, Onika Abraham runs Farm School NYC, which educates people interested in urban farming. And all three of them are using their positions to promote social and racial justice, to bring about change in the food system. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
13/06/1848m 47s

Cap & Pat (aka Legal Weed)

States across the U.S. are debating marijuana legalization, but thus far, the rollout of this has been confusing to say the least. So, to dig into that further, we have German Lopez, a senior reporter at Vox help us wade through. Next, Amanda Chicago Lewis a journalist who covers marijuana digs into plant patents and who's benefitting from legalization. And finally, Nina Parks and Sunshine Lencho, founders of Supernova Women, who are working to make sure women of color aren't left out of the conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
06/06/1854m 17s

Health is Wealth (aka Personal Finance Education)

This week, Gaby finds a financial literacy unicorn. Nan Morrison actually learned a lot about money from her parents, which is a luxury a lot of us don't have. Luckily, she's working to make financial literacy education better, as CEO and president of the Council for Economic Education. Next up, it's Cristen Conger and Caroline Ervin, hosts of Unladylike, a podcast about what happens when break the rules. We tasked them with digging up some history and sociology around the ways gender and sexism works its way into our financial lives. And Herman Brodie, a behavioral economist looks at why it's so hard to trust the people who handle our money. And finally, one of this show's producers, Lindsey Kratochwill shares a little bit about her own financial education, and how it couldn't prepare her for what happened once she became an adult. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
30/05/1850m 33s

The M-Word (aka Amazon)

Gaby starts out by second-guessing some of her recent Amazon Prime purchases - and then starts to question a whole lot more. This week, we investigate Amazon's chokehold on the American consumer experience, and whether we ought to be fighting harder to break free from its clutches. Featuring Stacy Mitchell, Lina Khan, Jessica Bruder, and Nicole Aschoff.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
23/05/181h 2m

A Mysterious And Unknowable Force (aka the Stock Market)

Gaby takes her knowledge of what a stock is, and takes that a step further to learn how to get one. Buzzfeed breaking news reporter Amber Jamieson noticed her friends getting rich from stocks, so she decided to try her hand at it, and shares what she learns in a newsletter called Better Have My Money. But before we go wild, Julie Matthaei, an economics professor at Wellesley, gives us a capitalism reality check. And finally, to make sure we're buying the right stocks, and investing according to our values, Morgan Simon, author of the book "Real Impact," has some helpful ways to stay on track. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
16/05/1841m 1s

It's Not Just a Few Feet Of Sea Level Rise (aka Climate Change is an Economic Issue)

Gaby revisits her roots, and goes deep on how climate change affects inequality in Florida. Jessica Moulite, a social media reporter and producer for Fusion explains how climate gentrification is affecting neighborhoods in Miami. Caroline Lewis, who is the founder of the CLEO Institute helps us understand why this has such a compounding effect. And finally, Tamma Carleton, a PhD candidate who's part of the Climate Impact Lab, broadens the scope, and has some fascinating data about how a warming world affects the workforce, and how people just general interact with each other. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
09/05/1845m 7s

Just Give People Money (aka Universal Basic Income)

Gaby learns what the country might look like if we weren't constantly worried about making enough money. Our trusty teachers for this episode include: Lauren Smiley, a journalist who's covered Silicon Valley's feelings toward a universal basic income. Peter Frase, editor at Jacobin magazine, who gives us a harsh truth of tech bros' UBI support. Mia Birdsong, who tells us an about her research in communities that might benefit from a UBI. And finally, this is it guys: a presidential candidate. Andrew Yang explains why his platform is focused on giving everyone money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
02/05/1838m 33s

Buy Canadian Drugs! (aka Our Health Care System is Sick)

Gaby takes the pulse of our health care system, and the prognosis is grim. To help understand it all, we have Elisabeth Rosenthal, editor-in-chief of Kaiser Health News, and author of "An American Sickness: How Healthcare became Big Business and How You Can Take it Back." Then we hear from Maly Ly, chief marketing officer at YouCaring, about how crowdfunding sites have risen to the challenge of fixing this broken system. And... don't hold your breath. Lauren Berliner, assistant professor at the University of Washington Bothell explains how crowdfunding really isn't an effective bandaid. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
25/04/1846m 38s

The Gender Pay Gap (aka Why There Aren't Any Female Elevator Operators)

Gaby explores the maddening and bizarre history of the gender pay gap - and discovers a startlingly simple potential solution. Featuring Claire Suddath (Bloomberg Businessweek), Andrea Johnson (National Women's Law Center Senior Counsel for State Policy), and Dane Atkinson (CEO of SumAll).Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
18/04/1849m 42s

Bullet-Speed Trains & Broken Stairwells (aka Structural Racism)

We're back, baybeeeee! In Season Three of Bad With Money, we'll be going even harder against the American financial system than we did in Season Two (so, uh...hope you enjoyed that?). And for our season premiere, we're jumping right into the deep end, and talking about that thing too many white people are afraid to talk about: structural racism. Gaby's guests share some hard truths about the massive wealth and achievement gap faced by Black people in the US - and also offer some strikingly reasonable potential solutions. Featuring Tricia Rose, Prudence Carter, Sandy Darity, Lisa Sturtevant, and Stephanie Killian.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
11/04/1841m 23s

BONUS EPISODE: Live from PodCon with Dylan Marron

We're back with a bonus episode, and some special Bad With Money news. In December, Gaby taped a live episode of Bad With Money at PodCon, featuring Dylan Marron. Dylan is the host of Conversations with People Who Hate Me, the voice of Carlos on Welcome to Night Vale, and just an all-around genius. So here's that conversation, just for you. It's like a gift!But wait: We have more gifts for you. Bad With Money is coming back with season three next Wednesday, April 11. Also, Bad With Money is a book! It's coming out later this year, and we'll make sure you have the link to pre-order it as soon as it's ready. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
04/04/181h 3m

BONUS EPISODE: Live from A-Camp!

Gaby is joined by Autostraddle's Riese Bernard, Alex Vega, and Laneia Jones for a live taping of the show from A-Camp.Gaby and Allison's book tour starts TODAY - do you have your tickets yet?! Go to IMMEDIATELY.**NOTE: Riese Bernard wrote to us after we posted this episode and wanted to emphasize that Autostraddle is NOT the only online publication with queer female editors. While there aren't many of us out there, Lydia Polgreen (HuffPo) and Ijeoma Oluo (The Establishment) are two other examples.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
05/09/171h 28m


Gaby sat down with actor and author Mara Wilson (Matilda, Mrs. Doubtfire, Welcome to Night Vale, Where Am I Now?) a few months ago for a wide-ranging conversation about success, commodification, class, and much, much more. We couldn't find a good spot for it in our first two seasons, so today we bring it to you as a bonus episode, along with an exciting announcement about Gaby's fall tour with Allison! Find more info on that at, and find Mara on Twitter at more about your ad choices. Visit
16/08/171h 5m

Queering Money (aka God Forbid We Have To Think About Something)

In the season two finale, Gaby talks to a range of people from the parts of American financial culture the system would rather not think about: queer, black, gender non-conforming thinkers like Alaina Monts, former sex workers like Chris Zeishchegg (aka Danny Wylde), trans financial advisers like Natalie Miller, and proud polyamorous writers like Carolyn Yates and Erin Judge.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
07/06/171h 32m

What If You're F*cked? (aka No, Seriously - What Then?)

What happens if you find yourself in a situation where practical financial advice doesn't apply? This week, Gaby explores a variety of money quandaries without easy answers: long-term freelance work (with Manjula Martin), identity theft (with Kathryn McCauley), bipolar disorder (with Julie Fast), and substance abuse recovery (with Wade Berstler). Find Manjula's work at, and Julie's writing at Read more about Wade here: (TW: Discussion of bipolar disorder)Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
31/05/171h 26m

Stone Cold Good Damn Reasons (aka Tips and Tricks)

Gaby attempts to balance practical financial advice with her growing sense that the entire financial system is irreparably busted. Along the way, Sarah Wilson (, Bobbi Rebell (author of "How to be a Financial Grownup"), and Jean Chatzky (The Today Show) provide some actual practical advice you can use between freakouts about the dire state of the American financial system.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
24/05/171h 1m

Jane Mayer's "Dark Money" (aka We're All Going to Die)

Gaby's in a panic after reading Jane Mayer's Dark Money - and you should be, too. Jane joins Gaby for a deep-dive into the sinister inner workings of political messaging and the billionaires who fund it - with catastrophic results for poor and marginalized people all across the country. Jane is a staff writer for The New Yorker, where she first began the reporting on the influence of money in politics which led to the publication of Dark Money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
17/05/1733m 25s

There's No Magic (aka Retirement)

Gaby explores the conundrum of saving for retirement. So much of the rhetoric around retirement has to do with rewarding yourself for a life of hard work - but what if you can barely afford to live your life in the present? Why should you bother fixating on the future? Featuring Bola Sokunbi (, Ken Raskin (Allison's dad), and Piggy and Kitty of more about your ad choices. Visit
10/05/1743m 49s

A Myth We Somehow Believe (aka Money and Politics)

Why does the idea of a businessman as president make so much sense to people? Especially when the actual president is a terrible businessman? Gaby explores the enduring myth of trickle-down prosperity - and learns some surprising facts about the religious tradition that seems to underpin a lot of Donald Trump's "morals." Featuring Helaine Olen (author of Pound Foolish), TIME correspondent Elizabeth Dias, and Talia Jane. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
03/05/1752m 46s

Who Can Afford to Have Sex? (aka Babies)

Everybody loves babies - they're adorable, and if you're a comedian, they're the best audience you could ever hope for. But childbirth is also an emotional and financial minefield. Worse, American society has some warped ideas about who gets to make the choice about whether to have a baby in the first place. This week, Gaby wanders through the minefield with guests Anna Sale (Death, Sex & Money), Noel Leon (DC Abortion Fund), and Think Progress senior editor Tara Culp-Ressler. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
26/04/1747m 13s

The Last Living Fantasy of the Modern World (aka Marriage)

Gaby tries to figure out why on earth people a) spend a fortune on weddings, and b) want to get married in the first place. Featuring Jasmine Lilly (Avowed podcast), Anne Chertoff (Anne Chertoff Media), Rebecca Eisenberg (Upworthy), and the one and only Caryn Grainer, our first member of the Bad With Money Three-Timers Club.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
19/04/1754m 36s

Part of Living in a Country (aka Taxes), ft. Cecile Richards

Gaby tries to understand the social philosophies behind her tax return. Joined by Taxgirl (TM) Kelly Phillips Erb (Forbes), Laura Mandanas (, and Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, she explores the way our tax code reflects our cultural values, for better or (surprise!) for worse.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
12/04/1743m 26s

Transactors and Revolvers (aka Credit Cards)

Gaby finds out how credit cards actually work, about ten years too late. Laura Adams (Money Girl podcast), Mandi Woodruff (, Brown Ambition podcast), and Lillian Karabaic (Oh My Dollar podcast) explain the deceptively simple concepts behind these devious plastic rectangles, as well as the troubling economic psychologies they exploit.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
05/04/1740m 22s

A Weird, Messed-Up Game Show (aka Medical Bills)

Why is it so hard for us to conceive of health care as a basic human right? Gaby talks to victims of the relentlessly profit-driven American healthcare system - a father whose wife died early in their marriage, resulting in a million dollars worth of bills (Eric Ashley); a non-smoking, marathon-running comedian who developed testicular cancer at age thirty (H. Alan Scott); and a YouTuber who was forced to ask her fans to fund a life-saving liver surgery (Akilah Hughes). Plus: Clio Chang on the philosophical underpinnings of our warped perspective. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
29/03/1755m 24s

Screaming Into A Jar (aka Student Loans)

Season 2 of "Bad With Money" kicks off with a deep-dive on student loans, which leaves Gaby more convinced than ever that it's time to start a socialist revolt. Featuring Kelly Peeler (NextGenVest), Eugenia Kim (Angry Alumni Association), and Josh Radnor (How I Met Your Mother, Liberal Arts).TW: homophobic languageLearn more about your ad choices. Visit
22/03/1753m 23s

A Light in the Fog

Gaby closes out the season with reflections on her journey thus far, and checks in with her parents and listeners about how the show has affected their lives.For more information on Mark Baumer, visit more about your ad choices. Visit
01/02/1728m 34s

Banks Are Evil

Gaby is joined by Lisa Servon, author of The Unbanking of America, and Nicole Aschoff, managing editor of Jacobin magazine, for a frank discussion of the deeply twisted ways that banks - and capitalism in general - treat consumers. They explain the evil in painstaking detail, prompting Gaby to wonder if it's time to don a tinfoil hat and move to a commune.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
25/01/1741m 47s

Real Artists Have Day Jobs

Sara Benincasa has battled depression, agoraphobia, and endless Internet haters en route to a career as a writer. It would all be exhausting enough on its own - except, of course, that Sara's had to claw her way to every dollar she's ever made, juggling a hilarious variety of side gigs to feed her addiction to putting words on the page.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
18/01/1737m 23s

Chris Rock is a White Dentist

Andrew Ti, host of the "Yo, Is This Racist?" podcast, joins Gaby to talk about the ways that money is part of a system which is, in fact, pretty racist. We often assume that earning lots of money helps to erase class distinctions - but as Andrew explains, it actually only makes things more complicated.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
11/01/1734m 16s

Don't Let the Fear Steer

Ashley C. Ford tells the story of how she went from being a class anxiety basket case to being slightly less of a class anxiety basket case.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
04/01/1736m 9s

When's the F*ckin' Door Gonna Open?!

Kevin Allison is the creator of RISK! and a former cast member of MTV's The State. Once The State went off the air, Kevin found himself adrift, broke, and hopeless in New York City at the tender age of 23. He found himself wandering the streets, literally shouting at the heavens, asking when, and how, he was going to find another job. This week, Kevin's harrowing story of how money literally pushed him to the brink.Trigger warning: suicide and eating disorders.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
28/12/1634m 7s

Put Up That Thing You Made

"Welcome to Night Vale" co-writers Joseph Fink and Jeffrey Cranor have created a worldwide phenomenon with their oddball style of audio storytelling. "Night Vale" famously eschews advertising dollars in favor of making a direct appeal to its fans. Their message is simple: "If you love what we make, you should feel good about paying for it." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
21/12/1629m 32s

Death is F*cking Expensive

Eden Dranger and Steve Basilone are just like Gaby - comedians with poor life skills. As we've learned, that's not a great combination when it comes to money. For Eden and Steve, it was particularly bad when their parents died, leaving them in charge of closing out their estates - a process which turns out to be as complicated financially as it is emotionally. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
14/12/1633m 50s

Monetizing the Patriarchy

Sydney Leathers was a student in a small town before she became infamous for sexting with former Congressman Anthony Weiner. Now, she proudly and unabashedly earns her living as a sex worker - and she's not interested in your judgement or your redemption narratives, thank you very much. Gaby talks to her about the wild twists in her personal story - and also gets some advice on sex work, just in case this whole podcast thing doesn't work out. Plus: the return of Gaby's sister Cheyanne.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
07/12/1630m 25s

The Fear-Based Economy

When Gaby left BuzzFeed, a lot of people were confused. Why would anyone leave a job that seemed like a dream-come-true for creatives? The reality, of course, was much more complicated. First, Gaby is joined by Bloomberg's Rebecca Greenfield, who explains that companies like BuzzFeed are often using perks to mask troubling employment practices. Then, Brittany Ashley, who was fired by BuzzFeed under controversial circumstances last summer, sits down with Gaby to try to make sense of how it all went so wrong. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
30/11/1629m 10s

The Guilded Age of Content

Hank Green is a bonafide media mogul. He's been supporting himself as an artist on the Internet for nearly a decade. Among (many) other things, he's the co-founder of Vidcon, the annual gathering of tens of thousands of YouTubers and their fans. Now he's got something even bigger up his sleeve: the Internet Creators Guild, which aims to band artists together to push back against the ripoffs, scams, and abusive business practices that so many of them face. Plus: economist Jodi Beggs explains why YouTubers would be wise to look to more traditional business models to keep themselves afloat.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
23/11/1638m 54s

Get Rich or Die Vlogging

An audio essay in which Gaby explains the tortured plight of content creators on YouTube, featuring the voices of some of the medium's most original creators. Too often, Gaby reveals, artists who are simply trying to keep the bills paid are branded as sellouts. Left without much in the way of options or support, many artists are beginning to view the situation as hopeless.This is an audio version of a piece Gaby originally published at Fusion in December of 2015, with editing by Nona Willis Aronowitz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
16/11/1621m 44s

Episode 13 Teaser

YouTube content creators basically have two options: get rich or die vlogging.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

The New American Dream

Stephanie Beatriz grew up as an immigrant kid in Texas, and now she's on top of the world. She shares her surreal and inspiring story with Gaby, as America prepares to reckon with itself as a nation of immigrants following the presidential election. Plus: Why Oh Why host Andrea Silenzi on the depressing economics of breakups.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
09/11/1644m 54s

Episode 12 Teaser

Stephanie Beatriz (Brooklyn Nine-Nine) joins Gaby to talk about growing up in Texas as an immigrant with risky creative dreams.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Goodbye Depression, Hello Pound Puppies

Gaby's comedy partner Allison Raskin makes a triumphant return to the podcast to talk about the psychological quandaries of "success," both real and imagined. Plus, Sara Schaefer shares her journey from profligate standup comedian to moderately successful standup comedian - and the peculiar role that stuffed animals have played in her quest.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
02/11/1629m 59s

Episode 11 Teaser

Sara Schaefer is sick of this ride.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

I'm the Prius

Comedians/wives of each other Cameron Esposito and Rhea Butcher are more than the funniest couple you're likely to meet - they're also a family business. For Rhea, that's meant giving up on the main way she's always defined herself: getting up and going to work every day. Instead, she keeps the house, walks the dog, and keeps her wife sane, while Cameron tours relentlessly, maintaining a steady flow of cash to ensure that there's a house to keep and a dog to walk. But now, with their TV show "Take My Wife" premiering on Seeso, everything is about to change - and they're hoping they can evolve together, the way they always have. But that's anything but a sure thing.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
26/10/1650m 3s

Episode 10 Teaser

In which Cameron Esposito and Rhea Butcher talk about the challenges of treating their love as a small business.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
24/10/161m 1s

What Is A Stock?

Gaby gets some basic questions answered by feminist investing guru Sallie Krawcheck and Bloomberg reporter Rebecca Greenfield. In addition to what exactly a stock even is, Gaby discovers that there may be a solution to the gender wage gap that's been been available to women for a long time - we just couldn't see it through the toxic haze of finance bro-jargon. Until now!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
19/10/1636m 46s

Episode 9 Teaser

We comin' for ya, finance bros.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Exes Hold 'Em

"Freaks and Geeks" star Samm Levine enjoyed the sort of trajectory that performers everywhere fantasize about: he was cast on a sitcom as a teenager, and immediately started raking in thousands of dollars for his acting abilities. In fact, he's never had to rely on anything else to support himself. Maddeningly, he's still managed to grow up into a well-adjusted, fiscally responsible adult. Mostly.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
12/10/1633m 17s

Episode 8 Teaser

Why does "Freaks and Geeks" star Samm Levine always have so much cash in his pocket?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Difficult Bitch

Oscar nominee/tosser of truth bombs Lexi Alexander joins Gaby for a frank assessment of Hollywood's abysmal track record when it comes to jobs for women. The situation is decidedly bleak, but Lexi reminds Gaby that while speaking out about it may feel scary in the moment, ultimately it's the only way for people (i.e. you, dear listener) to recognize how dire the situation is. Also! We want you to tell us about the podcasts you enjoy, and how often you listen to them. So we created a survey that takes just a couple of minutes to complete. If you fill it out, you'll help Panoply to make great podcasts about the things you love. And things you didn’t even know you loved.To fill out the survey, just go to more about your ad choices. Visit
05/10/1642m 39s

Episode 7 Teaser

Filmmaker Lexi Alexander joins Gaby to detonate some truth bombs about sexism in Hollywood.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Charge It To The Game

HelloGiggles co-founder Molly McAleer tells Gaby about her lifelong identity as a hustler - and why it sometimes makes her crazy to be as good as she is at scraping together enough money to get by. Now that her website has sold for millions, she suddenly finds herself wealthy beyond her wildest dreams. Molly reveals that while she always envisioned a prosperous life for herself, now that she has it, she's not actually sure she wants it.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
28/09/1634m 10s

Episode 6 Teaser

Molly McAleer warily ventures into the "Bad With Money" studio.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

So Close to Normal

Carrie Wade joins Gaby to talk about the warped economics of life as a person with a disability. From bizarre expectations to harsh financial disincentives masquerading as benefits, it can be very difficult to see yourself as a valued member of society when you're disabled - in part because society doesn't have much use for you if you can't work. But what does "work" actually mean in America? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
21/09/1635m 9s

Episode 5 Teaser

This week, Autostraddle's Carrie Wade joins Gaby to talk about how money affects people with disabilities.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Tokens For Your Tokens

Roxane Gay joins Gaby to discuss her journey towards creative self-worth, taking on the publishing patriarchy, troll-slaying, and t-shirt design. Roxane spent years working for little or no money on her passions - and she has no interest in apologizing for the fact that her talent costs big bucks these days. Roxane is the author of "Bad Feminist," "An Untamed State," and many other books and articles. Tangling with her on Twitter is not recommended - she will destroy you. Following her on Twitter and appreciating her dope insights, on the other hand, is highly recommended - you should do that, right after you leave a review for "Bad With Money" in iTunes.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
14/09/1637m 35s

Episode 4 Teaser

Roxane Gay's on the show this week, with tips on t-shirt design, as well as other more important things.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

A Bag Full of Money and a Stun Gun

Another very personal episode featuring Garrett Werner, Gaby's boyfriend (and a comedian in his own right). He tells Gaby that he's never been as worried about her spending herself into oblivion as she thinks he is - in part because he was raised according to a prosperity-first philosophy that he ultimately decided to leave behind. You may not think commodities traders with $80,000 salaries have dark nights of the soul - but Garrett did, and he's never been happier to leave anything behind. He'd prefer that Gaby stop lying to him, though.*Also, classic Gaby: turns out Stanford ISN'T part of the Ivy League? Who knew?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
07/09/1628m 24s

Episode 3 Teaser

This week, Gaby reluctantly admits that her boyfriend might have a point about her spending.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Gaby Gets Her Head Examined (aka Plan Bay)

Gaby gets her head examined by financial psychologist Dr. Brad Klontz, who explains the phenomena of Rich Person Thinking and Poor Person Thinking. Guess which one Gaby tends to do? Plus: a confrontation with Gaby's sister Cheyanne, for whom Gaby has become an accidental enabler.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
31/08/1638m 9s

Episode 2 Teaser

This week, Gaby talks to a financial psychologist, who wants her to change the entire way she thinks about money. New episode drops on Wednesday!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
29/08/161m 4s

Jagged Little Bills

Gaby begins by interviewing the people who taught her how to be bad with money: her parents, one of whom is a recovering addict, and the other of whom is a lawyer with a heart of gold (a little TOO gold, perhaps). Gaby also talks to her best friend and comedy partner, Allison Raskin, who didn't exactly rescue her from the road to financial ruin, but at least showed her that it doesn't have to be a one-way street.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit
24/08/1632m 21s

Episode 1 Teaser

To kick off the show, Gaby tries to figure out how she got to be so bad with money. The answer turns out to be pretty simple: her parents are even worse than she is.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Greetings Fellow Deadbeats

Introducing "Bad With Money With Gaby Dunn," a new show about the opposite of financial planning. Join writer, comedian, and actor Gaby Dunn for weekly conversations with fellow artists (as well as her parents, sister, and boyfriend) about the roiling existential crises that accompany finding, acquiring, and trying desperately to keep our money.Music: "Wednesday," by Adrianna Krikl ( more about your ad choices. Visit
16/08/162m 37s
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