Don’t Tell Me The Score

Don’t Tell Me The Score

By BBC Radio 4

What can sport teach us about life and how best to live it? Each week Simon Mundie sits down with an expert and uses sport to answer life’s big questions.


One step at a time: James Golding

How small actions can lead to amazing outcomes - with cancer survivor and cycling world record holder James Golding. In his 20s - James was given just a 5% chance of survival while being treated for an aggressive form of cancer. He could barely lift his head off the pillow but he managed to pull through and once he had – his life changed dramatically for the better. James even goes so far as to say – in hindsight – what he went through was a blessing. While he was recovering - James basically discovered cycling having not had an interest before he was ill, and he started taking on tougher and tougher challenges – raising millions for charity in the process. He’s ridden nearly 4000 miles across America - despite being run over by a truck – has broken the Guinness seven day cycling world record, and recovered from cancer for a second time. Because of what he went through – and with help from the bike – James’s outlook and attitude has been transformed.
13/08/2044m 16s

Persistence: Ade Adepitan

The power of sticking with something and refusing to give up - with TV presenter and wheelchair basketball star Ade Adepitan. Ade contracted polio when he was just 15 months old while living in Nigeria – which prompted his parents to move to the UK to give him a better chance of not just thriving but even surviving. It was a huge sacrifice by his family – and his parents in particular endured a torrid time when they moved to London but they instilled in Ade a resilience and persistence that has served him well. Ade struggled to accept his disability but sport and his wheelchair changed the way he felt – and he began to flourish. In this episode Ade talks about persisting despite knockbacks as he attempted to make the British team, he talks about preparing for opportunities so when they arrive - as they surely will - you’ll be ready and why pushing and challenging yourself is crucial so you’re not left looking back thinking ‘if only’.
06/08/2057m 47s

Psychological Fear: Dr. Pippa Grange

Understanding the cost of fear and how to face and replace it - with the former England football psychologist, who was credited with helping transform the team at the 2018 World Cup. Pippa explains the difference between 'in the moment fear', and 'not good enough fear', and it's the latter that is the focus of this conversation and which is lurking behind many of our self-defeating behaviours. Pippa talks about the subtle role fear plays when we shame ourselves and others - as well as in tribalism that goes too far. She explains why seeing and facing fear is crucial if we are to address the real reasons for being stuck in our lives, and outlines ways to replace the narratives we hold, and move in the direction of connection and purpose. Pippa's new book is called Fear Less: How to win at life without losing yourself. Thoughts, ideas and questions @simonmundie
29/07/2054m 52s

Service: Dan Pfaff

Finding joy and meaning in serving others with the legendary Olympic coach. During Dan's career, he has coached 49 Olympians, including nine medallists and five World Record holders. He helped Greg Rutherford win long jump gold at London 2012 and Donovan Bailey win 100 metres gold in 1996. Outside track and field, he has coached football, NFL and tennis stars – including Maria Sharapova. Throughout his nearly 50 years in coaching, and his studies into the military, Dan has come to appreciate the value of service in providing meaning and enjoyment in life, and in this episode he talks about the importance of building a network and giving back. Dan also shares wisdom around resilience, optimism, self-talk and gratitude – and explains the importance of knowing what makes you tick as well as understanding what you need to help you calm down and be able to understand other people's perspectives.
23/07/2047m 29s

Determination: Cal Crutchlow

Determination can trump talent according to MotoGP star Cal Crutchlow. In 2016, Cal became the first Brit in 35 years to win a race in MotoGP – the premier motorcycle racing world championship. He says the key ingredient in his success is determination, a quality he has in spades – whether it be in returning from injuries or just taking him to the top rung of his sport, ahead of other riders he considers to have more talent. Cal is a great advocate of talking calculated risks to get to where you want to go, and is someone who finds out what works for him and does things his own way – even if it appears to be unorthodox. That includes the way he trains for races, how he stays fit and how he sets up his support team around him. Cal also talks about not letting the opinions of people you don't know affect your sense of self and why balance and a rounded life may ultimately supersede a "win at all costs" mentality.
16/07/2054m 58s

The trouble with winning: Cath Bishop

Why our obsession with 'winners' and 'winning at all costs' is holding us back, with Cath Bishop – a three-time Olympic rower who won silver at Athens in 2004. She was also a diplomat and is now a business coach and author. Cath argues that our fixation on winning is overhyped and outdated, and she explains why the world needs an evolved attitude of cooperation to enable us to reach our potential in a more meaningful and sustainable way. In her new book The Long Win she challenges our cultural obsession with the concept and argues that it's time to redefine what success means. She explains why winning isn't even working for many of the 'winners' and why the 'win at all costs' mentality squashes creativity in sport, business, politics and education.
09/07/2056m 44s

Positivity: Frankie Dettori

The importance of a positive outlook in achieving success, with the legendary Italian jockey. Frankie Dettori says he aims to be in a positive frame of mind every time he leaves the house, which has contributed to his remarkable longevity. But Frankie also says it has a tangible effect on his horses – they can sense the frame of mind he is in and react accordingly. That may well explain how he managed famously to win all seven races in one day at Ascot in 1996, when he had something akin to a mystical experience on what was his final ride of the day. In this episode, Frankie also explains why he isn't someone to have a "five year plan" – he explores the differences between the Italian and British outlooks on life; he looks ahead to riding the favourite at the Investec Derby, and talks about the plane crash he was in 20 years ago – when he was convinced he was going to die – and how it has affected his outlook on life ever since.
01/07/2047m 49s

Deliberate practice: Anders Ericsson

How to get better at almost anything by practising like an expert. Anders Ericsson, who sadly died recently, was Professor of Psychology at Florida State University. Anders spent decades studying elite performers across a number of fields including sport, music and medicine, and it was his research that led to the popular "10,000-hour rule" written about by Malcolm Gladwell and others. Anders explains that just clocking up 10,000 hours of regular practice won't make you an expert; the key is to spend your time in deliberate practice. It is a purposeful and systematic approach that requires you to be focused, push past your comfort zone, seek feedback and make sure you prioritise rest, as Anders explains in this episode. As ever, thoughts and questions @simonmundie
25/06/201h 1m

Power of emotion: Mel Marshall

Using emotion, vulnerability and connection to fuel powerful performances. Mel Marshall is a former world number one swimmer turned coach. She’s been coaching Adam Peaty since he was 14 and Adam is one of the greatest swimmers of all time (2016 Olympic champion, eight-time world champion and world record holder in the 50 and 100 metre breastroke). Adam says Mel developed him into the man he is today. Mel is all about relationships and talks about the love she feels for the people she works with and the swimmers she coaches. It is that emotion and connection that can help people find an extra 10%. Having honest and vulnerable conversations can actually release feel-good hormones that can help people perform better. That human touch, that is easy to overlook and undervalue, really can make a huge difference. Mel also talks about managing down, sideways and up. She shares some gems about managing up in particular, using what she calls her 'invisible leadership skills'. She talks about the value of working out what your work capacity is and sticking to that, and the importance of finding balance. Mel and Simon also discuss the power of belief, that intangible yet crucial quality. Also the difference between personality and character and the similarity between Adam Peaty and Michael Jordan.
18/06/2052m 13s

Work ethic: David Coulthard

Developing a work ethic and being efficient with F1 legend David Coulthard. David spent 15 seasons in Formula One, taking 13 Grand Prix victories and 62 podium finishes. After retiring, he deftly transitioned into being a commentator, pundit and entrepreneur. He is undoubtedly a grafter, and that work ethic is something that was instilled in him by his upbringing. In this episode David explains what he learnt from his hard working parents, and how he's taken that forward into his own life and passed it on to his son and step-daughter. He talks about prioritising and being efficient, the importance of routine to let your mind de-clutter and the value of the F1 honesty and responsibility culture – and what other businesses and organisations could learn from it. He emphasises the importance of making things happen – and not waiting for them to happen to you – and explains why multi-tasking is generally a bad idea, as well as the art of conserving energy. David also shares what he learnt from his brush with death in a plane crash in 2000, as well as the lessons he took from observing the late great Ayrton Senna. Get in touch on twitter @simonmundie.
11/06/201h 10m

Managing people: Sam Allardyce

Getting the best out of people by treating them as individuals with the former England manager, Sam Allardyce. Sam has had a long and successful career in football, first as a player and then as a manager. Many players who were managed by Sam have spoken fondly of his ability to create an enjoyable environment for them, most notably the team he created at Bolton. He surprised many people by luring World Cup winners and genuine megastars to the club in the early 2000s. Sam was ahead of his time at Bolton, using sports scientists, analysts and psychologists well before that became the norm elsewhere. When it comes to managing people, Sam talks about the importance of getting in front of people where possible, and not simply relying on data and second hand information. He talks about the danger of being labelled, something he felt happened to him early in his managerial career, as well as his longstanding meditation habit, playing pranks on Sir Alex Ferguson and dealing with the emotional impact of losing the England job after just one match, following a newspaper sting.
04/06/201h 1m

Mental Health: Sir John Kirwan

How to go from surviving to thriving with All Black legend and mental health advocate Sir John Kirwan. John is one of the greatest rugby union players of all time, but it's his work around mental health that led to him being knighted. When he was one of the most high profile players in the world, John had a serious mental health crisis. Thoughts of suicide eventually prompted to him to seek help, which sent him on a wellness journey that led him to being one of the faces of the mental health campaign in his home country, and it's there that he's now launched the free Mentemia app to help people cope during the coronavirus crisis. In this episode, John shares lessons from reaching the very top of his sport, including setting a goal and 'paying the price' to reach it. He talks about the beauty of the Italian culture and what we can all learn from the way they value connection and 'breaking bread'. And he shares his daily mental health plan, which includes taking time to unplug your brain several times throughout the day just as you would turn your computer off and on again when it starts playing up. John also explains why he is someone who needs 'active relaxation', as opposed to a tool like like meditation, and he shares wisdom on how you can discover pursuits that can help calm your inner monkey down. And John and Simon touch on ways to get feel-good hormones going round your body, including taking time to connect as well as doing random acts of kindness. As ever, please get in touch @simonmundie
28/05/201h 1m

Adaptability: Leon Smith

Being adaptable to people, circumstances and environments with Leon Smith, the head of men's tennis at the LTA and the captain who helped deliver the Davis Cup to Britain in 2015, something that was inconceivable just a few years previously. Leon also coached Andy Murray during his earlier years, and the two remain close friends. The theme of the episode is 'being adaptable', and it's an area in which Leon excels. It's also something we are all having to be at the moment as we adapt to the new coronavirus reality. Leon and Simon discuss the relationship between emotional intelligence and adaptability, and why having a growth mindset is key - something illustrated perfectly by Andy Murray's approach to the sport. Leon is known for getting the best out of players and for getting on with everyone in tennis, and he explains some of the 'soft skills' that help him do that, like taking the time to check in with the people he works with and sincerely taking an interest in their wellbeing. Leon also talks about not giving in to fear, getting out of your comfort zone and much more besides. Please get in touch with your thoughts and questions: @simonmundie
21/05/2056m 37s

Unlimited: KSI

Believing in yourself and living without self-imposed limits - with social media sensation turned pro boxer and rapper, KSI. KSI has over 21 million YouTube subscribers and his videos have been viewed six billion times. He has a social media reach of over 50 million, including 5.6 million followers on Twitter, eight million on Instagram and 3.2 million monthly Spotify listeners. He also now boasts the third most followed music channel in the UK. But KSI started out commentating on FIFA matches in his bedroom aged 14 as a way to entertain his friends. Eventually his audience grew so big he decided to drop out of college against the wish of his parents to follow his YouTube dream. It paid off in a big way. KSI keeps reinventing himself, both as a pro boxer who famously beat fellow YouTuber Logan Paul in America, and as a rapper. His new album is called Dissimulation, which means concealing one's thoughts and feelings. That is something KSI admits to having done that in the past, revealing that his online persona is very different to the character known by his friends and family as JJ. In this episode KSI talks about embracing vulnerability as well as the responsibility of being a role model. He also explains why he is so determined to prove people wrong with his work, and why he is evidence that anyone can achieve anything in life - if they believe in themselves and work both hard and smart. As ever please get in touch with your thoughts: @simonmundie.
14/05/2045m 47s

Reflecting: Goldie Sayers

Taking the time to reflect on your life and where you are heading with Olympic medalist Goldie Sayers. Goldie was Britain's top javelin thrower who won a medal at the 2008 games, but injury just before London 2012 robbed her of her best chance of gold. She was able to overcome that disappointment and made a successful leap from athlete to businesswoman and coach when her sporting career ended. She is a great advocate of taking the time to reflect on your life and appreciate how far you have come, as well as carefully considering where you want to go and how you want to live. With so many people now in a position to do that, her advice is timely. Goldie talks about reflecting on your life as a whole, and making sure it is balanced and not overly skewed towards work. She is a passionate advocate of doing what you love and grabbing opportunities when they arise, and not getting swept up in comparing yourself to others. She also talks about dealing with the disappointment of cancelled events and plans and shares a powerful exercise to help work out your values. Knowing your values is key in working out how to best spend your time, and it's an exercise she uses in her coaching work that has led to people experiencing revelations and big life breakthroughs. Goldie also shares a morning routine guaranteed to get you going. As ever any thoughts and questions: @simonmundie.
07/05/201h 2m

Stoicism: Ryan Holiday

How to use the ancient Greek philosophy of stoicism to cope with the coronavirus pandemic, with author Ryan Holiday. Ryan has written a number of best-selling books on stoicism, including The Obstacle is the Way, which has become a favourite with elite sports teams and players. Ryan describes stoicism as as "the most practical of all philosophies". In this episode, Ryan explains the essence of stoicism, and why we should focus on objective judgement, unselfish action and willing acceptance of all external events. He explains the three critical steps: perception, action and the will. Perception is understanding that nothing makes us feel a particular way, and that outward appearances are deceptive. Action is understanding that our movements and decisions define us, and everything is a chance to do and be our best. And the will is being braced for our efforts to fail, but still understanding that at worst events are an opportunity to practice humility and acceptance. See clearly, act correctly and finally endure and accept the world as it is. Ryan also explains the value of meditating on our own mortality, to help us understand that time is a gift. As ever, thoughts and questions appreciated: @simonmundie.
01/05/201h 8m

Balance: Laura Muir

How to balance competing demands on your time with top British athlete and qualified vet Laura Muir. Laura is Britain's top middle-distance runner and Scotland's top female athlete who was considered a great prospect for a medal at this year's Olympics before it was postponed. She is also a qualified veterinary surgeon. In this episode she explains how she managed to juggle two such demanding pursuits, and how each one helped her excel in the other. Laura wasn't considered a great athletic prospect growing up. She was a solid if unspectacular runner who wasn't even the best in her school. But when Laura got to university and started working with a coach, her progress was meteoric and now she is among the very best middle-distance runners in the world. As Laura says, that shows how we all develop at our own pace and why loving what you do and sticking at it is often more important than early talent. In this episode Laura explains how she balanced qualifying to be a vet with her running career in 2018, and why learning to prioritise is key. She also talks about the value of not overthinking and choosing to enjoy what you do rather than putting too much pressure on yourself to succeed, which paradoxically makes it more likely that you will succeed. She talks about being conscious of your priorities and sticking to them as well as keeping a level head, asking yourself questions to reduce how stressed you feel, running to clear the mind, routine and being the best version of yourself you can be and not worrying what others think. This is the first of two episodes this week. As ever get in touch with suggestions and questions: @simonmundie.
28/04/2034m 1s

Perspective: Ed Jackson

Why adversity can be a blessing in disguise, with walking quadriplegic Ed Jackson. Ed was a professional rugby player whose career was cut short when he broke his neck diving into a shallow swimming pool. Ed nearly died and was told he would never walk again but he confounded the experts and even recently climbed Mount Snowdon. He was due to be climbing Mont Blanc for charity in June, although that's now been cancelled because of the lockdown. Instead, Ed is climbing the equivalent height of Everest on his parents stairs, having been inspired by the fundraising efforts of 99-year-old Captain Tom. The theme of this episode is perspective as Ed says since his injury he is actually happier and more grateful than when playing professional sport. He talks about people's innate negativity bias and how positivity can be trained. Simon and Ed also discuss embracing uncertainty, the power of belief, redefining limitations, adding value to other people's lives and understanding events are only 'bad' if you decide that they are. As ever please get in touch with any thoughts, ideas or questions: @simonmundie
21/04/201h 5m

Clarity: Ben Hunt-Davis

The importance of being clear on where you want to go in life and how to get there with Olympic gold medallist Ben Hunt-Davis. Ben turned himself from an also-ran in the rowing world to a gold medal winner by asking himself just one question, over and over again, and applying it in every area of his life: Will it make the boat go faster? Ben’s approach passed into sporting performance folklore and has been referenced by other DTMTS guests including Sir Clive Woodward. After listening to this episode, hopefully you'll be able to think of a similar question relevant to you and any area of life that you want to progress in. In this episode Ben and Simon talk about: • Why setting clearly defined goals is crucial • Choosing to plan ahead rather than simply being reactive • How to motivate yourself and perform even when you don't feel like it • How to build empowering beliefs and ignore the internal and external naysayers • How to separate fact from interpretation and choosing your language skillfully. As ever please do get in touch @simonmundie
16/04/201h 15m

Values: Adam Gemili

Is being kind and living by your values more important than ambition and success? Adam Gemili is one of Britain's top sprinters. He's a former European Champion at 200 metres who has just missed out on a medal at the Olympics and the World Championships, finishing fourth at both. The theme of this conversation is 'values', and why living by your values could be more important than pinning your hopes, dreams and self-esteem on your goals, which you may not achieve including for reasons outside your control. As well as the importance of values, Simon and Adam discuss: - managing the limbic part of the brain, known by many as their 'Chimp', thanks to Steve Peters (who appeared on the show last year). - Why you might want to consider talking out loud to yourself - The power of practicing visualisation and how to get good at it - How to create good habits - Getting perspective on your inner critic This episode was recorded in two parts. The first part was recorded shortly before the scale of the threat of coronavirus became clear, with Adam still focused on going to the Olympics this summer. The second, shorter part was recorded just three weeks later after the situation had changed dramatically and rapidly, with both Adam and Simon in isolation. As ever please do get in touch with thoughts, ideas, and questions via @simonmundie on social media.
08/04/2058m 4s

Gratitude: Kriss Akabusi

Being mindful of the importance of gratitude with Kriss Akabusi, arguably the most popular British athletics star of the late 1980s and 90s. Growing up Kriss was called Kezie. When he was just four years old, Kezie’s parents left him to return back to Nigeria. He grew up with a series of foster parents and in a children’s home, before deciding to join the army and changing his name to Kriss. Despite what was a difficult start to life, Kriss is grateful for everything that has happened and is a great believer in accepting the cards that you’re dealt and making the best of them. In this episode they cover: - Reflecting on what we have to be grateful for individually and collectively, not least the NHS - The power of using humour to deal with life’s ups and downs - Understanding and embracing all sides of our personalities - The opportunity that exists in this period of isolation and reflection - What being an asset in your community not a liability means Please get in touch with thoughts, comments, suggestions and feedback @simonmundie and please share this episode with someone who might like it.
01/04/2045m 18s

Looking after yourself at home: James Collins

Strategies and tips for looking after yourself and being productive while staying at home with elite sports nutritionist James Collins. Never before have so many of us been stuck at home, with no clear idea how long we'll be indoors. Coronavirus has upended our lives in a dramatic way, and the challenge now is to make the best of what is clearly a very difficult situation. This episode's guest is James Collins, a performance nutritionist who has worked in elite sport for many years. He's been a key member of Team GB at three Olympics, was Arsenal's head of nutrition for seven seasons and has worked with the national football teams of England and World Cup winners France. He now also works with top music and entertainment performers and businesses too. In this episode of DTMTS, James talks to Simon about looking after yourself and still being productive while stuck at home. James focuses on several key areas including how to set up your home environment, the importance of routine, the importance of getting a daily dose of exercise, setting boundaries, 'checking in with yourself' and some sleep strategies. James also explains how to think about your nutrition and plan your meals, even when you can't get hold of the things you normally want. This episode was recorded remotely, not in the studio as it normally is. If you have any questions, thoughts or suggestions for episodes over the coming weeks, please do get in touch on social media: @simonmundie.
23/03/2040m 41s

Personal Responsibility: Jeff Jarrett

The importance of taking personal responsibility for every aspect of your life, and what that means, with wrestling legend and WWE hall of famer Jeff Jarrett. Jeff was Introduced to audiences in 1993 as an obnoxious country singer, with a passion for smashing guys over the head with a guitar. Despite his image, Jeff has been through a lot in his personal life, and is a deep thinker. Here are some of the lessons that come up in this episode: - The importance of shooting for the pinnacle of things, and forgetting the outcome. - Having a positive attitude and choosing to be upbeat. - Focusing only on the day in hand, and being present. - The importance of taking care of your emotional self, even when caring for people around you. - Facing emotion square on as it arises, because you'll face it one way or other at some point. - What is 'character' and why it's important. - What personal responsibility actually looks like and how it impacts every area of your life. - The importance of gratitude. - The power of acceptance and faith that all will be well. Get in touch with thoughts, feedback and suggestions @simomundie
19/03/2042m 10s

Pressure: Dave Alred MBE

How to deal with pressure and thrive when the stakes are high with elite performance coach Dave Alred MBE. Dave is the go to elite performance coach of many of the world's best athletes. He's best known for coaching Jonny Wilkinson during his career, but also steered Francesco Molinari to his golf major and has worked with top footballers, cricketers and businesses too. He started out life as a teacher though, and it was there that he developed many of the guiding principles. The theme of this week's episode is 'pressure', and what Dave knows about coping with it can be applied to any area of life, whether is be giving a presentation or speech, in social situations or even just driving a car. In this episode they talk about the key factors in dealing with pressure situations. It all stems from having you self-esteem left intact, and learning to embrace failure rather than fearing it. Dave explains what you can learn from fighter pilots, the army and Mick Jagger, and why you need to learn to embrace being in 'the ugly zone'. He explains the mind-body connection and the importance of posture, and why skilful use of language is crucial as careless use of language, with ourselves or others, can be crippling. Dave also explains how to practice anything properly. This episode is full of useful tips and timeless wisdom, so sit back and enjoy. Do get in touch on social media too @simonmundie
12/03/201h 17m

Motivation: Max Whitlock

Getting motivated with Britain's most successful gymnast Max Whitlock. Max has a mass of major medals. In 2016 he became a double Olympic champion, winning the floor and pommel titles as well as an all-around bronze medal. Then in 2017 he became the first British gymnast to defend a world title, taking pommel gold with a near faultless routine having won it for the first time in 2015 in Glasgow. He added a third world title at the 2019 championships, . The theme of this conversation is motivation. The reason Max has been so successful is because he found something he loves, and worked incredibly hard at it. That’s the basis of everything, but he shares a number of his other secrets in this episode. Max talks about time management and getting organised, and making tough decisions that may feel risky at the time. He speaks about taking chances and having faith all will end well, and staying present and not getting ahead of yourself. He talks about choosing how to react to adversity, coping with pressure and remembering to bank your wins. Max is a big believer in focusing on yourself, and not worrying about what others are up to, which has played a big part in Max’s longevity and sustained success.
05/03/2041m 12s

Doing the basics: Toni Minichiello

Why doing the basics well is more important than marginal gains, with Jessica Ennis-Hill's former long term coach Toni Minichiello. Toni met Jess when she was 13, and guided her athletics career for the next 15 years, winning three world titles and Olympic heptathlon gold at London 2012. Toni then won coach of the year in what was arguably the greatest year in the history of British sport. He was inducted into the coaching hall of fame too. Toni has also coached a number of other top athletes, and worked his magic in cricket, football and business as well. The theme of this conversation is “doing the basics”, and doing them well. Toni thinks the idea of marginal gains is largely irrelevant if you're not doing the basics as well as you possibly can time and time again. It’s about going step by step and gradually moving towards your goal over a long period of time. He emphasises the importance of loving what you do, and prioritising the journey not the destination. He talks about managing egos, prepping for success and failure, letting go of a fear of the future and, to pinch one of his many mantras, 'normalising not traumatising'.
27/02/2050m 42s

No regrets: Alex Danson

Giving your everything and having no regrets with Olympic gold medallist Alex Danson. Alex is one of Britain’s greatest ever hockey players, who suffered a traumatic brain injury in 2018. Alex has been capped over 300 times and was an instrumental part of the team that won Olympic gold in Rio in 2016. We talk about some of the lessons she learnt in becoming the best in the world, including understanding that character is more important than talent if you’re going to make it. Alex suffered a traumatic brain injury in the most innocuous of circumstances, while on holiday with her husband. It left her languishing in a dark room for weeks on end, unable to cope with light, touch or noise. At one point she lost the ability to talk. She has now recovered enough to rejoin her teammates, but admits she’s a different person now to who she was before the accident. Alex explains how the most difficult aspect of her injury was the loss of identity and purpose that she suffered. She has now come to see what happened as a gift, that’s enabled her to have more balance in her life, and value what is truly important: her health and the relationships she has with those people important to her. Alex has become more open and vulnerable, has stopped overthinking and worrying about what others think and slowed down and become more present. She is hyper aware that life can change in an instant, and even if she isn’t able to make it back into the team in time for Tokyo 2020, she will have no regrets because she gave everything to follow her dream when she could.
20/02/201h 1m

Respect: Carl Frampton

Treating people as you want to be treated with boxing legend Carl Frampton, Northern Ireland’s first two weight World Champion. Carl is one of the most down to earth boxers on the planet. He's also one of the most popular, with his fans willing to travel all over the world to watch their man in action. The theme of this chat chat is 'respect'. Carl grew up in Belfast, in the loyalist area of Tigers Bay. The next housing estate across was the New Lodge which was Republican. As a child, he witnessed tension and traumatising scenes. Carl is a very humble and level headed guy, and he takes pride in uniting people, wherever they're from, and whatever they believe. He's always been one to people at face value, but getting into boxing when he was young helped reinforce that side of his character. In this episode, Carl explains why having a focus is so important, and why sport in particular can help people integrate. He talks about getting your priorities right, not showing off and why it's worth expecting the unexpected.
13/02/201h 2m

Obsession: Ric Flair

The good and bad of letting your profession consume your life with WWE legend Ric Flair. Ric is rated as the greatest wrestler of all time by many, including legends like Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels and Stone Cold Steve Austin. He had a career spanning 40 years, was a 16-time world champion AND was the first two time WWE hall of fame inductee. His most memorable catchphrase was just one word- WOO- and it became so famous they named a wrestling tour after it. His appearance was so flashy, Snoop Dogg said Ric Flair was bling before bling was bling. Wrestling essentially consumed Ric’s life, and he admits that caused some difficulties in his life. Ric was a fitness fanatic, but he also drank every day to excess. He survived a serious plane crash early in his career, but that led the creation of his Nature Boy alter ego. In 2013 his son Reid, a promising wrestler himself, died from a drugs overdose. And in 2017, Ric was thought to be near death after surgery for multiple organ issues, but he’s a survivor and has made a stunning recovery. In this episode Ric shares some of the stories from his unbelievable life, including talking for the first time about the final conversation he had with his son Reid before he tragically died. He talks about his daughter Charlotte Flair, now a top WWE wrestler herself, and how he helped hone her competitive spirit. And he shares lessons about hard work, about believing in yourself and forgetting false modesty, and not making some of the mistakes he did.
06/02/2050m 35s

Facing Fear: Gareth Thomas

Why facing and overcoming fear forces you to grow as a person, with Gareth Thomas. Gareth is one of Wales’ greatest ever rugby players. He's their second highest try scorer ever, and was the first man to reach 100 Wales caps. He’s also the first high profile player to come out as gay. Recently he came out as HIV positive, doing a huge amount to tackle the stigma around it in the process. Gareth competed in an Ironman when he came out, and the support 'Alfie' got as he competed shows how much love and respect there is for him. Gareth has faced down fear throughout his life, and the key lesson he’s learned is that life isn’t about simply seeking to be comfortable. It’s about thriving on challenges and overcoming them, because that’s how you grow as a person and are able to lift other people up in the process. In this episode Simon talks to Gareth about the values instilled in him by his parents Barry and Yvonne. They talk about how more big names in the world of sport could use their platform for good, as their power is immense. Gareth explains how being dishonest causes you to live in fear, and how shame can make you aggressive towards other people and the world at large. They discuss the power of forgiveness, and why Gareth refuses to be a victim, despite suffering a homophobic attack and being blackmailed about his HIV status. They talk about the power of vulnerability and how it is a strength not a weakness, and why being in touch with your emotions is often a sign of that inner strength. And they address the issue of homophobia in football, and why Gareth thinks the Football (Offences) Act needs changing to include homophobic chanting.
30/01/201h 12m

Self-development: Ebony Rainford-Brent

Why continually working on yourself is worth it, and how to do it, with Ebony Rainford-Brent. Ebony is a former England cricketer who won both the World Cup and the Ashes during her career. She was also the first black woman to play for England. Since retiring, she’s joined the Test Match Special team, becoming a part of one of sport’s great broadcasting institutions. She’s also a motivational speaker, a podcaster and was appointed Surrey’s first director of women’s cricket. The theme of this chat is 'self-development'. Ebony suffered a huge personal tragedy when she was just five, her oldest brother died after being a victim of knife crime. They discuss how that impacted her and her family, and some of the reasons why knife crime is such a big issue, and what could be done to help reduce it. Ebony grew up without much material wealth, but her early experiences helped her develop resilience, and a willingness to take risks. She discovered a passion for cricket aged 10, despite having written it off as a boring sport before having even tried it, so they discuss the importance of trying things and capitalising on opportunities. Aged 19, she suffered a pretty catastrophic back injury which meant she could barely walk and faced never playing sport again. Despite sinking into a deep depression, that experience eventually shaped her future as well as her interest in self-development. Ebony and Simon discuss some powerful techniques for being able to perform on command and the importance of habits, they talk about embracing your dark side, and accepting yourself rather than trying to fix yourself, and seeing opportunity in situations that others would simply dismiss. They also discuss strategic thinking and embracing JOMO (the joy of missing out) not FOMO (the fear of missing out). Ebony and Simon also discuss a number of books that have impacted their personal quests for self-development.
23/01/201h 6m

Domination: Stephen Hendry

What does it take to be utterly dominant, with snooker legend Stephen Hendry. In the 1990s, Stephen was the undisputed best snooker player in the world, winning the World Championship a record seven times. His period of domination is up there with any other champion from any other sport. But what does it take to be as dominant as he was? Stephen emphasises the importance of loving what you do, but also putting in the hours of practice, as nothing can replace hard work. He had to learn to embrace a work ethic that at first was torture, training 6 hours a day, 7 days a week. But that level of commitment began to pay off, and once it did it stopped being such a chore, and instead became an important and valuable means to an end. Stephen emphasises the need to be ruthless and have a killer instinct, and how to capitalise when your opponent is showing signs of being affected by pressure. He talks about the importance of putting your best foot forward and giving off an air of confidence, even if you don’t always feel it, and how to get confidence back by going back to basics when it is starting to wane. Stephen changed the game of snooker with the way he played, and we discuss the implications of that. It's about following your intuition and choosing to do things differently from the status quo. Essentially asking why things are done the way they are, and investigating if they could be done differently, a mindset which can be applied in whichever field you work in. Stephen also opens up about how his game fell apart, and why he couldn’t find the answers to get him back on track.
16/01/2052m 23s

Determination: Sir Ben Ainslie

Determination is setting course and refusing to let anything stop you, and it's one of the keys to the incredible successes of sailing legend Sir Ben Ainslie. Ben competed in 5 Olympic games, picking up 4 golds and one silver between 1996 and 2012. Then in 2013, shortly after having been knighted, Ben played an integral role in one of the greatest sporting comebacks of all time, in the oldest sporting competition in the world: the Americas Cup. He was drafted in with team Oracle badly trailing- and they fell to 8-1 and matchpoint down before Ben helped engineer a stunning turnaround to finish as 9-8 winners. Ben is now skipper and team principal of the British Americas Cup team: Ineos Team UK. Despite the Americas Cup having originated in Britain in 1851, no British team has ever won the 'Auld mug', and Ben and the rest of his team are working incredibly hard to become the first to do so, and this episode was recorded at Ineos Team UK’s state of the art HQ down in Portsmouth. Ben is one of the most determined people you will ever meet and has a fierce competitive side. Ben’s parents certainly had a sense of adventure that was passed on and they encouraged Ben to have a go and take chances when they presented themselves. And Ben did exactly that when he discovered his love for sailing, working incredibly hard to make the most of his talent and his passion. As a youngster he stood out for his willingness to make mistakes, which meant he progressed far more quickly than his peers. During his Olympic successes, Ben learnt the value of questioning the status quo, and looking to break the rules, but not the laws- an approach that can certainly be applied in any area of life. In this episode Ben also explains how confidence comes from repeatedly putting yourself under pressure and why it’s crucial to be honest with yourself about your own performances, rather than making excuses, to help identify your weaknesses so you can work on them and improve. He also talks about using anger as a fuel, the importance of trusting your own intuition, working on skills like developing patience, and much more besides.
09/01/2057m 42s

Doing the hard thing: Heather Rabbatts

Why it's worth doing the hard thing in life with Dame Commander Heather Rabbatts. Heather was the first woman to be appointed a director of the FA and she was also chief executive of Millwall football club, but her incredible career transcends sport. She’s been a barrister, a BBC governor, the youngest ever chief executive of both Merton and Lambeth councils, Head of Education at Channel 4, a director of the Bank of England and much more besides. And this from a woman who underachieved at school. In this episode they talk about how choosing to do the hard things in life force you to grow as a person, although it is rarely comfortable. Heather argues knowing 'your why' is important, and making a positive difference is as good a reason as you can get. Heather explains how adversity is often formative, and why not giving in to fear is important. She explains how to thrive in big organisations, and the importance of being open to feedback and steering a fine line between being self-questioning and self-critical. Heather talks about the importance of building a 'safe harbour', and what that means, and why authenticity is crucial.
02/01/2051m 27s

Leadership: Mike Brearley

RE-RELEASE: The art of leadership with legendary England cricket captain Mike Brearley. As this is the last episode of 2019 we’ve decided to re-release a conversation from much earlier in the DTMTS series, when Simon sat down with former England cricket captain Mike Brearley. The theme of their conversation was leadership. Mike is considered to be one of the best, if not the best, England cricket captain over the last handful of decades. What makes Mike particularly interesting though is that after he stopped playing cricket for England, he became a psychoanalyst, rising right to the top of that profession too, even becoming president of the British psychoanalytical society. Mike was famously described as ‘having a degree in people’ when he was a player- which is another way of saying he is emotionally intelligent. In this episode they discuss what emotional intelligence is, why it’s so important and how someone can look to develop it. Mike explains why it’s important to understand that different people have different motivations, and why all good leaders act on that basis, and they also talk about defence mechanisms and projection, intuition and resourcefulness… and much more besides.
26/12/1950m 19s

Walking: Professor Shane O'Mara

How walking more will boost your brain, body and creativity with professor Shane O'Mara. Most of us do it - but almost all of us don’t do it enough. Yes, we're talking about walking. It's hardly news that we are, as a species, too sedentary, and the fact is that we were not designed to spend as much time as we do sitting or slouching around. Walking is what we are designed to do, and our ability to walk long distances helped humans become the dominant species on earth. It helps to protect and repair organs, aids digestion and can turn back the ageing of our brains. Not only that but it's simple and it's good for us - so why aren't we doing it enough? Neuroscientist Shane O’Mara is on a one-man mission to convince us to up our step count. He says that doing so will benefit our muscles, brains and waistline, that our mood will improve and our stress levels will fall - and walking has also been scientifically proven to aid creativity. So if you’re stuck on a problem, going for a brisk walk could well help you on your way to solving your conundrum. So with Christmas just a few days away, there is no better time to get in a few long walks amongst all the mince pies and the parties, and start to develop it as a habit in 2020 - one that will make a real difference.
19/12/1955m 20s

Culture: Sir Clive Woodward

How to create a winning culture with in sport, business and life with Sir Clive Woodward. Clive was appointed England coach in 1997, and he went about transforming the culture of the team, using many of the lessons he had learnt running a small business. Results steadily improved until England were unquestionably the top team in the world, a goal Clive had set right at the outset of his tenure, and they rounded things off by lifting the Webb Ellis trophy in 2003, coping brilliantly with the pressure of being tournament favourites. In this episode they talk about many of the lessons that Clive shared to help take England from underachievers to the best in the world. Clive explains the similarities between managing England and running a small business, and why all high achievers never stop looking to learn and work on themselves. He explains the difference between sponges and rocks, and why it’s vital to be the former and not the latter. They discuss 'TCUP'- thinking correctly under pressure- and how it can be employed in any sphere of life. This episode was recorded shortly before the London Bridge attack, and Clive actually explains how thinking about TCUP could help if caught up in an incident like that. They talk about 3D learning and why knowing what the basics of your business is both crucial and also rare. Clive also gives his assessments of the 2019 England team who reached the world cup final, and compares them to his Cup winning 2003 team.
12/12/1958m 22s

Insomnia: Dr Guy Meadows

How to address insomnia and anxious thoughts with Dr. Guy Meadows. Guy is the founder of the sleep school, and has treated a number of top sportspeople, as sleep is essentially the greatest natural performance enhancer available to each and every one of us (as Christie Ashwanden revealed in an earlier episode of Don’t Tell me The Score- called the science of rest and recovery). And while poor sleep can affect your performance on a pitch, track or court, it can certainly also have negative impacts on important areas of your life including your work and relationships. Guy’s pretty unique in the sleep world in using an approach known as ACT- Acceptance and Commitment Therapy- which teaches you to relate to your uncomfortable feeling and emotions in an often counter-intuitive way (ACT has helped a number of top sportspeople including Sir Alastair Cook who talked about it in our earlier episode). While this approach can help tackle insomnia specifically, it is also a powerful tool for addressing anxiety in all areas of life. So the tools and techniques they discuss in this episode can equally be applied to anything anxiety inducing, like preparing for a speech, a job interview, or an important match or competition match. In this episode Guy reveals the importance of sitting with anxiety and 'welcoming' uncomfortable feelings and thoughts, to send the danger seeking amygdala part of your brain a powerful message to help it relax. Trying to get rid of them just makes them come back stronger.
05/12/1958m 57s

Obsession: Jonny Wilkinson

Letting go of control and of being obsessive to find peace of mind with Jonny Wilkinson. Jonny was the golden boy in what was England’s greatest ever rugby team, the 2003 World Cup Champions. Jonny of course kicked the winning drop goal in that final against Australia, and he relives the moment in this episode of DTMTS revealing he basically had something akin to an out of body experience as it happened. The theme of this conversation is ‘obsession', as Jonny admits to being an obsessive character, although thankfully he has learnt to channel that streak and not be ruled by it. In this episode Simon and Jonny talk about the idea of pressure, and Jonny explains how it is essentially created by the thought ‘what if this goes wrong’, and not by external factors as we tend to believe. Jonny also talks about the emptiness he felt after having won the World Cup, and what that reveals about our false belief that happiness is something that will happen at some time in the future, once we finally get what we want. He talks about the lows he experienced during his injury hit years between the 2003 and 2007 world cups, and how that came from the stress he put himself under physically and mentally, and how he found peace by letting go of trying to control everything. They also discuss a shared passion for fermenting drinks, like kefir and kombucha.
28/11/1952m 40s

Role Model: Kate Richardson-Walsh

Setting an example and being a role model with former England and GB hockey captain Kate Richardson-Walsh. Kate captained Britain to a historic gold medal in hockey at the 2016 Rio Olympics. She is the most capped player in her country’s history, and Kate and Helen Richardson Walsh are the first married gay couple to win Olympic gold medals in the same team. They are now expecting their first baby, due before the end of the year. The theme of this conversation between Simon Mundie and Kate is: setting a positive example and being a role model. Kate captained England and Britain for 13 years, having been chosen for the role by her teammates when she was just 23 years old. Kate believes one of the reasons her peers chose was because she consciously set out to be a good example and a role model to her teammates. The attitude stemmed in part from having been dropped early in her career, which forced Kate to make a choice and fully dedicate herself to her sport. Reacting to that one setback as a teenager was the catalyst for all the success that followed. In this episode Kate talks about actively seeking out other people to learn from, and the importance of having a vision and sharing that with your team around you, and having them fully buy into it. She illustrates the importance of having tough conversations as well as the power of having a selfless attitude, and explains why it’s worth finding out how you react to pressure. We also talk about being part of a high profile same-sex couple, and why women’s hockey is so much more open and accepting than many other more high profile sports.
21/11/1955m 32s

Letting go: Kevin Clifton

The importance of letting go of the need for approval with Strictly Come Dancing star Kevin Clifton. Kevin’s parents were world class dancers, and he took it up when he was just four years old. Along with younger sister Joanne, also a Strictly champion, he competed in international dancing competitions from a young age, going through one particularly harrowing experience at the Wimbledon of dance- the British Open- aged 11. What he experienced there stayed with Kevin, and left him with self-doubts that he carries round to this day. Kevin was four times a runner up on Strictly before eventually lifting the glitterball in 2018 alongside Stacey Dooley, and that success only came when he let go of desperately wanting and even needing to win the competition. As well as letting go, Kevin and SImon talk about whether dancing could or should be thought of as a sport, as it was recently considered for inclusion in the Olympics. They also talk about choosing to do what feels right in any given moment, even if externally it might appear to be a bit boring and they discuss Kevin’s burgeoning meditation habit and embracing the idea that none of us need 'fixing', we just need to shed the stories and labels we’ve all picked up throughout our lives.
14/11/191h 0m

Caitlyn Jenner: Honesty

Why being honest with yourself and the people closest to you is vital for peace of mind with Olympic Decathlon Champion and the world's most famous transgender woman Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn was born Bruce Jenner, but struggled with gender dysphoria, which is where there’s a mismatch between someone’s biological sex and their gender identity. Caitlyn’s greatest sporting moment came at the 1976 Olympic games in Montreal, where as an amateur American athlete, she saw off the Soviet challenge at the height of the Cold War to win Decathlon gold, smashing the world record in the process. Fame and adulation followed, including nearly landing the role of Superman that eventually went to Christopher Reeve, but the gender dysphoria was always bubbling away under the surface. The 1980s were a tough period for her, and after close to a couple of decades as part of reality TVs most famous family- the Kardashian clan- in 2015, Caitlyn finally came out as a transgender woman. In this episode Simon Mundie and Caitlyn discuss some of the lessons she has learnt throughout her incredible life. They talk about the importance of honesty, and being true to yourself and your family around you. About not judging a book by its cover, as someone who apparently has it all may well be suffering inside. They talk about the importance of having a sense of humour, and why it’s all about the challenges you overcome, not the heights you attain. They recorded this episode of Don’t Tell me The Score at Caitlyn’s house in Malibu in Los Angeles- and there is an i-player film of the interview too, it's definitely worth checking out.
07/11/191h 25m

Relationships: Will Carling

Why relationships are the key to success in sport and life, with former England captain Will Carling. Will was appointed captain aged just 22 and led England to their first ever rugby World Cup final in 1991. He was their first genuinely successful captain over a sustained period of time. As well as reaching that World Cup final- England won three Grand Slams in the 90s under Will, and were undoubtedly the northern hemisphere’s best team during that period. Will is now back helping the England set-up – having been appointed by Eddie Jones to help mentor some of the current team. The theme of this week’s conversation is relationships, in life and sport, which Will says are more important than on-field success. Will talks about why leadership is all about having the best interests of your team at heart- and why leaders who try and fake it will quickly be found out. He explains the importance of continuous honest conversations- and why hitting rock bottom, as he did after retiring from his playing career, can be a blessing in disguise. They talk about inferiority complexes, and why some sportspeople find it hard to leave their careers behind- and how your values change over the course of your life, and why it's important to recognise that the most important thing is the quality of the relationships with the important people in your life.
31/10/1957m 21s

Purpose: Lewis Pugh

Why having a clear purpose is key to success in sport and life with record breaking swimmer and UN Patron of the Oceans Lewis Pugh. Lewis was the first person to complete a long-distance swim in every ocean of the world, and was the first person to swim across the North Pole- to highlight the melting of the Arctic sea ice. He also swam across a glacial lake on Mount Everest to draw attention to the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas. More recently he swam the full length of the English Channel. Lewis does all his swims, even those in freezing temperatures- armed only with a pair of speedos, along with a cap and goggles- and his work has been dubbed ‘speedo diplomacy’. In 2013 the United Nations appointed him as the first UN Patron of the Oceans. The theme of our conversation is ‘purpose’, as Lewis swims to raise awareness of global warming and climate change. In this episode we talk about the importance of courage- and how it’s contagious. Lewis explains the power of visualisation and how to do it, as well as why it’s crucial not to entertain thoughts of victory and defeat in your head at the same time. We talk about the danger of self-limiting beliefs and why a closed door isn’t necessarily a locked one, as he found out when bumping into Roman Abramovic’s yacht. But the key message is about the power of having a purpose, which in Lewis’s case- is raising awareness of the climate emergency our planet is facing.
24/10/1946m 10s

Bloody-Mindedness:Tanni Grey-Thompson

The power of being 'bloody-minded', with Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson.Tanni is a Paralympic legend who now sits in the House of Lords, and she credits much of her success to being bloody-minded. It’s all about having a stubborn streak, and not just taking no for an answer. Tanni was born with Spina Bifida, and aged seven her spinal cord severed leading her to choose to get around in a wheelchair. At that time, Tani’s parents were told she was unlikely to amount to much and were given a long list of things that Tanni wouldn’t be able to do. Her parents refused to accept that as truth however, and encouraged an independent streak which helped Tanni go on to achieve a huge amount- in sport and in life. In this episode, Tanni shares the outlook and mindset that helped her be such a success. Tanni and Simon reflect on whether grit is more important than talent, discuss the importance of planning and how half the battle is ‘just getting started’. They also talk about the importance of being aware of self-limiting beliefs, and the power of not mindlessly buying into them. Tanni also speaks about the importance of not being afraid to try in life- and of aiming high.
17/10/1954m 12s

Despair: Kearnan Myall

Facing and overcoming despair, with Kearnan Myall. Kearnan is a former professional rugby player who toured Argentina with England in 2013. On a mid-season break during his playing career, Kearnan came close to taking his own life. Since hitting his lowest point, Kearnan has worked hard on his mental health and wellbeing- and is now in a good place. This month- he’s starting a PhD in psychiatry at Oxford University, researching mindfulness and mental health in athletes, with the aim of helping players to better cope with the stress they may be going through. In this episode, Simon and Kearnan talk about some of the factors that caused him to experience despair, which included him resisting normal emotions that didn’t fit with his own self-image as a rugby player. They also discuss some of the symptoms of depression that he experienced, and talk about the danger of giving people negative labels. Kearnan explains the steps he took to get himself back in a good place, and they discuss the power of mindfulness meditation- which has been a huge help to him.
10/10/1953m 43s

Being True To Yourself: Sam Warburton

Why being true to yourself is vital to success and happiness with Wales rugby legend Sam Warburton. .Sam holds the record for the most Wales caps as captain, and has also captained two Lions tours- the win in Australia in 2013, and the famous draw in New Zealand in 2017. One of his most famous moments came in the 2011 World Cup semi-final- when he received a red card for a tackle early in the match. It’s a moment seared in the memory of every Wales fan, and while many pundits felt it was a bit harsh- Sam accepted the decision, and was still named player of the tournament by a number of people and publications. Sam also says he wouldn’t change what happened given the chance- as he explains in this episode. The theme of the conversation is ‘being true to yourself’- something Sam values highly- and which can be as simple as saying no to something that doesn’t feel right. Sam also talks about the importance of knowing yourself- and keeping your personal standards as high as possible. We discuss the benefit in getting out of your comfort zone, how confidence comes from proper preparation, why facing adversity in life is important, the importance of manners and respect, and how often less is more.
03/10/1947m 32s

Maximising Talent: Gary Lineker

How to get the most out of the talent you have, with Gary Lineker. Gary is one of England’s greatest ever footballers- he won the golden boot at the 1986 World Cup for scoring the most goals- and is now one of Britain’s most successful broadcasters- presenting Match of the Day and a plethora of other top programmes. Gary insists however- he wasn’t outrageously talented at either football or broadcasting, but he found a way to maximise his talent and become a huge success at both- and that’s what we talk about in this episode. A big part of Gary’s success was down to his parenting- his weren’t the stereotypical pushy parents on the touchline- although his dad did step in when Gary got out of line, and that’s at least part why Gary never even received so much as a yellow card during his career. Gary explains how he used to relish pressure situations, and rarely felt nervous- by framing things like penalties as opportunities to succeed rather than chances to fail. He talks about continually looking to get out of your comfort zone- and why modelling people who have previously succeeded is a god idea, as he did when moving to Barcelona. He shares lessons on the importance of treating everyone the same, and also gets into the similarities between Britain post the EU referendum and the tribalism of football.
25/09/1947m 12s

Diversity: Matthew Syed

Why diversity is crucial to success in any organisation, with top author, broadcaster and former world class table tennis player Matthew Syed. Matthew is not talking about arbitrary diversity in this episode of DTMTS, but is explaining why a diversity of background, outlook and experience is vital. He explains how the FA embraced diversity off the pitch, which contributed to success on it, and how the tragedy of 9/11 could have been avoided had the CIA been less collectively blind because of a lack of cultural diversity. It's to do with 'homophily', which is our tendency to bond with people who are socially similar. And if you've ever thought that meetings at work are 'catastrophically inefficient', this episode will prove you correct. That's because of what are known as 'dominance hierarchies', which leads to people 'self-silencing' and has even led to plane crashes. Matthew and Simon also talk about echo chambers, which are being increasingly prevalent on social media, and what can be done about them, using the redemptive tale of the once 'great white hope' of the Klu Klux Klan as an example.
19/09/1958m 23s

Hard Work: Sir Alastair Cook

Why all the greats have hard work in common, with England cricket legend Sir Alastair Cook. As well as being England captain, Alastair was one of the most prolific batsmen cricket has ever seen. Not only is he England's most capped player, he's also their leading run scorer in Test matches- and it's largely down to his undoubted work ethic. In this episode of DTMTS, Alastair talks about where his work ethic comes from, and why all the greats have hard work in common. He explains why he would intentionally make himself uncomfortable in training, and put himself in situations where he would rather not be. He also talks to Simon Mundie about the inner critic we all have, which Alastair has taken to calling The Gimp, and how to manage it for success. They discuss the art of concentration and some key aspects of good leadership too, as well as the importance of difficult conversations and the power of nature to provide perspective.
12/09/1943m 1s

Mortality: Liz Clarke-Saul

What facing death can teach us about living life, with GB Para-cyclist Liz Clarke-Saul. Liz is 30 years old- and has incurable cancer. She was first diagnosed with adamantinoma – an extremely rare form of bone cancer- at the age of 12 in 2001. Liz had her leg amputated because of the disease two years later, and she was inspired to take up para-cycling after London 2012. But last year- with Tokyo 2020 firmly in her sights- Liz found out the adamantinoma had returned, and that it was now incurable. In this episode- Liz talks about the importance of appreciating how precious time is, and why big birthdays shouldn’t be seen as something to dread- but as a privilege. She talks about applying the power of sporting mantras- like ‘control the controllables’- to her situation, as well as the importance of living for the day- because you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. And Liz is is speaking from experience there- having actually been hit by a bus. She talks about choosing to focus on gratitude and what you do have- rather than dwelling on those things you don’t, and why people should stop procrastinating and do what they want to do now- rather than keep putting them off, as you never know what's round the corner.
05/09/1950m 21s

The Journey: Goldie Sayers

Why the journey is more important than the destination, with Olympic medallist Goldie Sayers. In 2008, Goldie missed out on a medal in javelin at the Beijing Olympics by a matter of centimetres, coming fourth. She later found out that the Russian athlete who 'won' silver was a drugs cheat, so Goldie was promoted, and eventually received her bronze medal 11 years later. In 2012, Goldie was in the form of her life and nailed on for a medal at the London Olympics, but a freak injury weeks before the Games robbed her of the chance of success. Goldie is an eternal optimist however, and she came to see those disappointments differently. She came to realise that who she became and the people she met along her sporting journey were more important than the medal she was eventually awarded. In this episode, Goldie talks about the importance of doing what you love, even as a way to sleep better at night. She discusses the power of visualisation and shares a valuable morning routine. And Goldie explains the importance of working out your values, and shares a specific process to actually do it. She also explains how to correctly set goals based on your values. This episode is full of useful tips, and Goldie was a joy to have on the show. Let us know what you think- @goldiesayers and @simonmundie
29/08/1954m 32s

Self Mastery: Chrissie Wellington OBE

How to follow your intuition and reach your potential, with triathlon and Ironman legend Chrissie Wellington OBE. Chrissie was the Ironman world champion on four occasions- in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011- despite only turning pro at the relatively ripe age of 30. Chrissie planned to become a lawyer after graduating from university- but after spending 9 months travelling - she had a change of heart about her career path- and decided to focus on international development. It was a spell in Nepal that helped her discover her talent for endurance events however, and in 2007, she turned pro- saying she never wanted to be left thinking ‘what if?'. That decision paid dividends- she became Ironman world champion at the first time of asking- and her period of unparalleled dominance began. In this episode – Chrissie talks about the importance of being open to new experiences- as it may lead you to passions that could otherwise have remained undiscovered. She talks about listening to your inner voice- and choosing to follow it, the importance of finding your why and using it as fuel and how to deal with your internal critic and avoiding perfectionism. She also explains the power of mantras and visualisation- and much more besides. Chrissie has written two books about her journey: "A life without limits" and "To the finish line" and speaking to her for this episode was an absolute delight- she is a true inspiration and she shares some top words of wisdom that anyone can benefit from.
22/08/1958m 57s

Confidence: Annie Vernon

What is confidence and how you can develop it with Olympic rower Annie Vernon. Annie won silver at Beijing in 2008, which was actually a huge disappointment for her, as she had expected to collect gold. However, it did prompt her to write the book Mind Game, which explores the psychology of elite sport, so every cloud and all that. In it, Annie spoke to more than 60 elite athletes, coaches and psychologists from diverse sports to find out their secrets, and one area she explored was confidence. Generally speaking, it is the feeling or belief that you can rely on someone or something, but beyond that it's quite tricky to define. Annie found that some elite athletes and coaches refuse to use the word at all, preferring to focus on things like composure or momentum. Annie explains that confidence isn't the absence of self-doubt, it's about being 'good enough'. Annie outlines the 9 sources of confidence in sport, and reveals It's about self-questioning rather than being self-critical, and a good barometer of your confidence is actually your ability to say no.
15/08/1944m 51s

Addiction: Tony Adams

What causes addiction and how to face it, with Arsenal and England legend Tony Adams. Tony played for Arsenal for over 20 years, uniquely captaining a title-winning team in three different decades- the 80s, 90s and noughties. He also won 66 caps for England and played at four major tournaments. But despite all his successes on the pitch, Tony’s life away from football spiralled out of control due to his alcoholism, leading to a ‘lost decade’ and a spell in prison for drunk-driving. In 1996 Tony sought treatment for his addiction, and has been in recovery ever since. In 2000 Tony founded the Sporting Chance Clinic that provides treatment for sports men and women suffering from drink, drug or gambling addictions. In this episode, Tony explains the key factors that lead someone to developing an addiction. He explains what you can get addicted to and why avoiding thoughts and feelings is a recipe for disaster. We discuss how to spot the warning signs that suggest you should be careful, and what to do if you are concerned you, or someone close to you, may be in the grip of addiction. And we discuss what has replaced booze as the 'drug of choice' in the beautiful game.
08/08/1955m 50s

Greatness: Michael Johnson

What does it take to be one of the Greatest of All Time, with Michael Johnson. Michael is one of the greatest sprinters of all time, having won four Olympic gold medals and eight World Championships golds. He also held the world records in the 200m and 400m – and was the undoubted star of the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, becoming the first man to win the 200 / 400 double, and smashing the world record in the 200 in the process. To make the moment all the more memorable he wore gold shoes as he did the double, meaning had he failed it could have got a bit embarrassing. Since retiring from athletics Michael set up a company helping sportspeople around the world reach their potential, and has become a much loved athletics pundit for the BBC. In 2018, Michael suffered a stroke which left him having to learn to walk again, which he did in characteristically record time by applying the lessons he learnt on his journey to becoming an all-time great athlete. In this episode, we look back over Michael's highs and lows and discuss the lessons he learnt along the way. Michael talks about the importance of setting goals, of welcoming feelings of anxiety and nervousness and how to deal with pressure. He talks about keeping the wins and losses in perspective and taking the lessons from both, and in looking back and reflecting on what worked and what didn’t. Michael also explains the difference between confidence and arrogance, and why doing the hard thing is key.
01/08/191h 3m

Acceptance: Brad Smeele

Why accepting things we can't change is key to our emotional and psychological wellbeing, with quadriplegic former wakeboard champion Brad Smeele. Research shows that our willingness to accept the unchangeable is crucial, whether we’re talking about a financial crisis, a health diagnosis, the loss of an important relationship, or any other unanticipated, unpleasant event, fighting what is won’t make it not so. Instead, when we do battle with reality, we cripple our capacity to cope with the situation and manage all the emotions we experience in response to it. Brad Smeele was a world champion wakeboarder – until he broke his neck performing a trick in 2014- which left him quadriplegic. Until that point, Brad had been pretty much living the dream- chasing summers around the world and earning money on the side as a model. His identity before the accident was closely bound up with his physicality- so coming to terms with the fact that that was no longer the case was understandably a huge challenge. However – Brad has demonstrated a truly inspiring mentality toward his new life as a quadriplegic. He has set up a foundation called the movement collaborative to help fund spinal cord injury research, and is a motivational speaker sharing the lessons he has learnt along his journey. In this episode- Brad explains how he came to terms with what happened, and how he realigned his identity by looking inward. He talks about the importance of sitting with emotions- and learning from them- rather than trying to avoid them. He explains the power of being vulnerable and having genuine conversations, as well as the importance of understanding that everyone goes through difficult times, although social media can distort that.
25/07/1949m 27s

Range: David Epstein

Why it's better to be a generalist not a specialist in sport and life- with best-selling author David Epstein. The general consensus in society tends to be that to have success in any field requires early specialisation and many hours of deliberate practice- aka the 'Tiger Woods model'. And if you dabble or delay, you'll never catch up with those who got a head start. In this episode of DTMTS, David Epstein dispels this widely-held myth. He explains that the best way to succeed is by sampling widely, gaining a breadth of experiences, taking detours and juggling many interests- which could be coined the 'Roger Federer model'. In other words, by developing 'range'- the title of David's outstanding new book. Epstein shows why in most fields - especially those that are complex and unpredictable - generalists, not specialists are primed to excel. David helps explain the best way people solve problems, how we learn and how we succeed and why frequent quitters often end up with the most fulfilling careers, and even end up going down in history. If you are considering a career-change, this episode is for you!
18/07/191h 2m

Fame: Boris Becker

Celebrity and fame certainly has its pros and cons. One man who knows what it’s like to be a global icon is tennis superstar and three-time Wimbledon champion Boris Becker, who sits down with Simon Mundie in this episode of DTMTS to discuss ‘Fame’. Boris became a household name aged just 17 when he first won Wimbledon, and has been on the front and back pages ever since. In this celebrity obsessed time in which we live, Boris can explain some of the less savoury aspects of fame that people like him have to endure, as well as the strain it can have on friendships and family. Boris talks about the pain of the loss of privacy, and people selling stories about him. Boris talks candidly about the benefits of fame and celebrity too though, and there certainly are a few! We also touch on racism, and the danger of fame for fame’s sake. Boris explains how fans could be intimidating, and not taking fame too seriously. This episode was recorded on site at Wimbledon, and Boris relives his highlights as player, coach and commentator and muses as to why he has always been so popular in Britain.
11/07/1943m 43s

The science of rest and recovery: Christie Aschwanden

Rest and recovery: what works and what doesn't. In recent years recovery has become a sports and fitness buzzword. Anyone who works out or competes at any level is bombarded with the latest recovery products and services: from drinks and shakes to foam rollers and sleep trackers. But are they any good? And what can the rest of us who don't exercise much learn from them? In this episode of DTMTS Simon Mundie sits down with acclaimed science writer Christie Aschwanden, author of the bestselling book "Good to Go: What the Athlete in All of Us Can Learn from the Strange Science of Recovery". In this episode, Christie explains the power of FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) and busts myths around nutrition and hydration. Everyone knows one of the most potent things you can do for recovery is sleep, but are those sleep trackers a help or hindrance? Could ice-baths be overhyped, and just how effective are supplements like multivitamins? In this age of data and smartphones, could the key to it all simply be learning to get back in touch with our bodies and intuition?
04/07/1950m 28s

Depression: David Cotterill

Depression can affect people of any age or background, and can even be a silent killer. Someone experiencing it may appear happy to people on the outside, but internally they may be experiencing very distressing symptoms. In this episode of DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with David Cotterill, the outgoing former Wales international and Premier League footballer. He played more than 400 games during his career, for Birmingham, Swansea, Sheffield United, Doncaster and Wigan, but for much of that time he struggled with depression and did think about killing himself on occasion. David also used alcohol as a way to numb his emotional pain. Since retiring, he has opened up about his mental health issues, which came as a surprise to many of his former team mates, and has been treated for his addiction to booze. David is now committed to helping others who are struggling with their mental health, and has set up a foundation to do exactly that. In this episode, David and Simon discuss the importance of self-care, and some of the possible reasons people develop depression. They also explore why the football industry can be damaging to young players' mental health, and why opening up, being vulnerable and seeking help is crucial. Some of David’s stories from his playing days are shocking, but they do reveal the pain and depth of depression.
27/06/191h 10m

Positivity: Josie Pearson

A positive attitude helps you cope more easily with the ups and downs of life. It brings optimism into your life, and makes it easier to avoid worries and negative thinking. In this episode of DTMTS recorded live at the Hay literary festival in Wales, Simon Mundie sits down with Paralympic gold medallist Josie Pearson to hear about her ‘glass if half full’ approach. Josie was involved in a car accident in 2003 in which she broke her neck leaving her paralysed from the mid-chest downwards. Her boyfriend, who was driving the car, was killed. After the accident, Josie played wheelchair rugby at Beijing 2008, before breaking the world record on the way to winning discus gold at London 2012. Josie credits her sporting success and ability to adapt to life after the accident to her positive outlook, and she talks about the importance of looking for the good things in life, rather than focussing on the bad. Josie talks about the importance of patience in life and aiming high, as well as not sweating the small stuff and appreciating what’s really important.
20/06/1948m 39s

Self-acceptance: Nigel Owens

Self-acceptance could be the key to a happier life, yet it’s the 'happy habit' many people practise the least. That’s according to psychologists at the University of Hertfordshire who studied the keys to happiness. In this special episode of DTMTS recorded live at the Hay literary festival in Wales, Simon Mundie sits down with the beloved Welsh rugby referee Nigel Owens to explore the lessons he has learnt and can share about accepting yourself. When Nigel was a young man, he struggled to accept his sexuality which led to a failed suicide attempt. Thereafter he realised he had to accept who he was and his life then flourished professionally and personally. In this episode Nigel speaks about forgiving himself for his suicide attempt, something he had previously struggled with, and they talk about why people tend to be harsher on themselves than they are towards others. Nigel also talks about the importance of values in life and sport, what football can learn from rugby, and why humour is often the best medicine.
13/06/191h 4m

Moderation: Ronnie O'Sullivan

Everything in moderation. It’s a saying we’ve all heard, but mastering it might just be the key to health and happiness. For example, it’s good to be challenged at work to stop boredom setting in, but too much pressure can lead to being flooded with stress hormones. Basically, it’s all about the sweet spot in the middle - something that snooker legend Ronnie O’Sullivan has found over the course of his career. The five-time World Champion has struggled with various addictions throughout his life, but by embracing moderation he has made a spectacular return to number one in the world rankings at an age when many players are past their prime. In this episode of DTMTS, Ronnie talks to Simon Mundie about the lessons he’s learnt along his journey. He reveals plenty, from his experience with ringing the Samaritans during his first World Championship win, to how he used running as a tool to manage his emotional state. His relationship with running at times became excessive, as did his relationship with food, drink and drugs. Ronnie explains how learning to exercise restraint in all areas of life, including in planning his playing schedule, has extended his career and left him feeling healthier and happier. He also talks about the importance of accepting his addictive nature rather than trying to fight against it, how top sports psychiatrist Professor Steve Peters helped him, and how he uses nutrition to ensure he is happy and healthy in both body and mind. For Ronnie it’s about being the best version of himself he can be - and embracing moderation is his secret weapon.
05/06/1952m 0s

Vedic Meditation: Michael Miller

Vedic Meditation is a powerful tool that claims to help sharpen sport and life skills. It is one of the most ancient meditative techniques on the planet, and differs from Mindfulness Meditation, currently the best known technique in the UK. In this episode of DTMTS, Director of the London Meditation centre and the New York Meditation center Michael Miller sits down with Simon Mundie to explain the nuts and bolts of Vedic Meditation, and how it can help people excel in sport and in life. This is a follow up to the episode recorded about Mindfulness with Headspace founder Andy Puddicombe, and Michael and Simon explore the key differences between the two techniques. Michael has worked with rugby players, athletes and Formula One drivers to help them experience piece of mind and take that relaxed yet focused state into their sport. Michael explains how Vedic Meditation helps sportspeople retain focus for long periods of time, and make decisions quickly, accurately and under pressure. Michael also explains the broader benefits one is said to be able to experience relatively quickly with Vedic Meditation, including improved sleep and the ability to relax and deal with stress. One of the key aspects of Vedic Meditation is the use of a mantra, which is a personalised sound designed to help you access a meditative state with relative ease, and Michael explains its importance. At the end of the episode Michael also shares a simple meditative technique that anyone can use throughout their day to help settle their body and mind.
30/05/191h 7m

Eating Disorders: Renee McGregor

Eating disorders are significantly more common within the world of sport than the rest of the population, and appear to be on the rise. In this episode of DTMTS, leading Sports and Eating disorder specialist Renee McGregor sits down with Simon Mundie to explain why, and what can be done about it. Renee has 20 years of experience working in clinical and performance nutrition, with Olympic, Paralympic and Commonwealth teams. She is also the author of ‘Orthorexia, When Healthy Eating Goes Bad’, as well as a number of other books on nutrition and healthy eating, and is the co- founder of #TRAINBRAVE, a campaign raising the awareness of eating disorders in sport. Renee reveals some of the signs that indicate someone might have an eating disorder, and why food is the symptom of a deeper problem. They discuss the negative impact social media can have, and why it’s your keen amateur athletes rather than elite sportspeople who might be the biggest danger group. Renee talks about various diets- including low-carb, intermittent fasting and veganism- and explains how some people use them as a way to develop a controlling relationship with food. They talk about the importance of balance, relaxation and moderation, and the dangers of overtraining- and why working out your values and basing you self-esteem on them, rather than external validation, is key.
23/05/1947m 42s

Mindfulness: Andy Puddicombe

Mindfulness is a mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment, while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations. It can help relieve stress, improve physical and mental wellbeing, lower blood pressure, reduce chronic pain and improve sleep. Mindfulness can also improve your sporting and work performance and contribute to more fulfilling relationships. This week on DTMTS, Simon Mundie is sitting down with the man who has done as much as anyone to popularise mindfulness in the UK, Headspace co-founder Andy Puddicombe. Andy spent ten years as a Buddhist monk before returning to Britain to share what he had learned. In this episode Andy talks about his journey to Tibet and what life was like as a monk. They discuss the nuts and bolts of mindfulness, and dispel some key misconceptions that put people off. Andy is full of tips on how to start a mindfulness practice and keep it going, and how to be more mindful as you go about your day. They discuss how mindfulness directly applies to sport, and how it can be used by sportspeople on the pitch and off it and even go deep into the ultimate aim of meditation: to achieve enlightenment and experience 'non-duality'.
16/05/191h 3m

The Power of Sport: Andy Burnham

Sport can be one of the most powerful forces for good globally, nationally and personally. It has changed entire political systems, thawed relations between warring countries and changed government policy on a significant scale. But it can also change people's behaviour more locally, as well as improve people's habits and health, both physical and mental. The Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham joins Simon on this week's episode of DTMTS, to explore each of these aspects in turn.
09/05/191h 0m

Endurance: Jasmin Paris

Endurance is defined as the ability to endure an unpleasant or difficult process or situation without giving way. Keeping on going, when the going gets tough basically. This week on DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with British ultrarunner Jasmin Paris to discuss endurance. Jasmin won the 268 mile Spine race, widely regarded as one of the toughest endurance races in the world and described as the ultimate challenge of physical resilience and mental fortitude. Jasmin became not only the first woman to win the race outright, she also smashed the men’s course record by a staggering 12 hours. As if that wasn't remarkable enough, she posted her record time whilst also expressing milk for her 14 month old daughter Rowan. It was a truly astonighing feat in what is Britain’s most brutal running race. Jasmin juggles her running with raising a young daughter as well as being a vet, so she has mastered the art of prioritising what is important in life. She is a great believer in balance in life however, so cake and wine are never entirely shunned. Jasmin also emphasises the importance of chunking big projects down into manageable bite size chunks, loving what you do and following your instincts and intuition. Jasmin also hopes her example will inspire women everywhere to believe anything is possible.
02/05/1949m 5s

Testosterone: Matt Roberts

Male testosterone levels are dropping, which is bad news. In fact 30 year old men have 20% less testosterone than they did 20 years ago, according to a new study. It’s believed to be down to stress, inactivity and processed foods. Low testosterone has a negative impact on almost every system in the male body: from increasing insulin resistance, obesity levels, risk of cardiovascular disease, reducing skeletal muscle mass, decreasing bone density, to increasing the risk of depression, diabetes and cognitive problems. On this week’s DTMTS, top personal trainer Matt Roberts sits down with Simon Mundie to explain how to stop your testosterone levels from plummeting, particularly as you get older. Matt explains why long runs are not a good idea, but lifting weights is crucial. He also explains how occasionally fasting can supercharge your testosterone levels, as well as which foods you should be eating, and which supplements it’s worth taking. This episode is full of useful advice to get your testosterone levels back on track, and Matt also throws in some top anecdotes for good measure about one of his most famous clients, ex Prime Minister David Cameron.
25/04/191h 5m

Football Fandom: John Nicholson

Football has a fandom unlike other sports. It attracts people all over the globe and country, and is unashamedly tribal. With that comes a unique sense of belonging and loyalty, but also some less than savoury traits. This week on DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with novelist and star Football 365 writer John Nicholson, who writes about the sport from a cultural, comedic and philosophical point of view. He argues that aspects of football tribalism need dispensing with, although some of the behaviour associated with it are a result of broader societal issues. John is also a vocal critic of football disappearing behind various paywalls, so that people don’t get to enjoy the big matches as must see events on free to air TV. He argues that dilutes the communal viewing experience that brings people a sense of underappreciated wellbeing. John also argues that the influence of big money on the national game has been on balance negative, and comes up with a vision for how the beautiful game can reclaim its soul.
18/04/1957m 34s

Cheating - Ed Warner

The consequences for top sportspeople who cheat can be severe. Just ask the likes of Lance Armstrong, Dwayne Chambers and Ben Johnson. But what is it that causes people to break the rules, and how likely is it that the rest of us would make the same decision if the opportunity arose? This week on DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with the former chair of UK Athletics Ed Warner to discuss cheating, to unpick what we can learn from those people who followed that path- and paid the price. Ed has written a book about the effects of money on sport called “Sport inc- why money is the winner in the business of sport”, and part of it inevitably focusses on cheating. Ed argues that we should understand how easy it can be to make the decision to cheat, and that we should not be too quick to condemn those who may have been led astray. Part of it boils down to having an extrinsic motivation- so judging oneself solely against the competition and aiming for wealth and recognition- rather than an intrinsic motivation- where the goal is just to be the best you can be. But the importance of values and character shouldn’t be underestimated either.
11/04/1943m 54s

Self-improvement: Ben Lyttleton

Continually looking to improve different aspects of your self is one of the keys to moving forwards in life and avoiding staying stuck. In this week's episode of DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with author and top football expert Ben Lyttleton, who was given unprecedented access to some of the world’s top football clubs to discover their innovative methods for developing talent – so he could go on and reveal how we can use those same cutting edge techniques, approaches and outlooks in our everyday lives. In his book 'Edge', Ben talks about how elite teams now look for an edge by improving the intangible skills of their players ‘above the shoulder’. This episode is packed full of useful tips on resilience, leadership, motivation, managing millennials, the importance of managing stress for both body and mind, the undoubted power of putting away your phone and why developing good posture is an absolute must.
04/04/1947m 43s

Managing your energy- James Collins

Who doesn't want more energy, particularly when faced with a gruelling schedule. In this episode of DTMTS, Simon Mundie sits down with world-leading sports nutritionist James Collins, who shapes the eating habits of Olympic athletes and Premier League footballers, so they are on peak form when it counts. After a decade of working with the likes of Arsenal FC, England Football and Team GB, James has distilled his elite sports success into simple food principles that any of us can follow to feel at our best in our daily lives. It's all about how to eat and exercise right for your body and your routine. In this episode James reveals how to think about carbs, protein, micronutrients and hydration, and how and when to use them to fuel your body engine correctly. He also reveals the importance of fibre, why to increase your good fats and how to decrease your bad, why it's crucial to do resistance training- particularly as you age and how to use caffeine strategically.
28/03/191h 2m

Sexism- Tracy Edwards

What is the correct way to address sexism in sport and life? And is it much less commonplace than it was in say 1989? That was the year Tracy Edwards skippered the first all-female crew in the Whitbread Round the World Yacht Race, becoming the first woman to receive the Yachtsman of the Year Trophy and was awarded an MBE honour. She didn’t set off as a feminist, but she certainly came back one. She sits down in the episode with Simon Mundie to discuss her experience of sexism in sailing round the world, how it changed her, and how commonplace it is in life now. Tracy’s boat was called Maiden, also the name of a documentary film charting Tracy’s journey. As well as sexism, Simon and Tracy discuss following your dreams, the negative and positive power of anger and self acceptance.
21/03/1949m 58s

Dealing with adversity - Dame Sarah Storey

Adversity can make you or break you. In this week’s episode of Don’t Tell Me The Score, Simon Mundie sits down with Dame Sarah Storey to talk about how she overcame difficult moments in her life - from being bullied at school to changing sports midway through her career. Sarah is the most successful female British Paralympian of all time. She won 5 swimming gold medals, before making the switch and adding 9 cycling golds to her haul. She has also competed against able-bodied athletes including at the Commonwealth games. As well as adversity, Sarah also talks about being adaptable, and the importance of feeling in control of events in your life. She argues it’s important to learn from successes as well as failures, and explains how she copes with travelling and competing with two small kids in tow.
14/03/1942m 49s

Steve Peters: Managing your mind

Learning to manage your mind is crucial to both happiness and success. In this week’s episode of Don’t Tell Me The Score, Simon Mundie sits down with Professor Steve Peters, the English psychiatrist best known for his work in elite sport. He was integral in helping British Cycling become world beaters, has worked with Liverpool FC and the England football team- and has been credited with making arguably the greatest snooker player ever Ronnie O’Sullivan ‘the player he is today’. Steve famously created a model of the mind that was the subject of his first book ‘the Chimp Paradox’. Learning how to manage your inner chimp is the key to peace of mind, and getting ahead in sport and in life. In this episode, Steve explains what the inner chimp is and why we have to nurture it. He also reveals how negative self-beliefs are formed, and what to do about them, as well as the importance of establishing what your values are. He talks about working with kids – the subject of his new book ‘my hidden chimp’- and the importance of basing your self-esteem on the ‘human’ part of your mind. Crucially, he explains why working on your psychological health is one of the most important things you can do.
07/03/1951m 20s

Chief Rabbi: Sacrifice

"Dreaming alone takes you nowhere. Dreams are good for seeing where you can go and what goals you can reach. You also have to pay the price." That's according to the great Brazilian coach Carlos Alberto Parreira. That's as true in life as in sport, as the Chief Rabbi can explain in this special episode of DTMTS. He is a fan of the show, not least because of the title 'Don't tell me the score', one of the most commonly heard phrases in Jewish communities on the Shabbat- their weekly day of rest. Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis is a huge sports fan, and has a plethora of powerful sporting analogies at his finger tips, as well as examples of why sacrifice is such a vital concept in life and and sport. He argues rather than thinking of it in terms of making sacrifices to get where you want to in life and sport, it's valuable to reframe it as an investment in your future.
28/02/1931m 49s

Drewe Broughton: Vulnerability

It’s not easy being vulnerable. Being honest with yourself and others about how you really feel. Many of us try to guard against vulnerability, thinking it's a sign of weakness but the opposite is true. In this week’s episode of Don’t Tell Me The Score ex footballer Drewe Broughton sits down with Simon Mundie to discuss vulnerability. Drewe had 22 clubs in a nomadic 17 year career and never fulfilled his undoubted potential. It wasn’t through lack of application, in fact he tried to control too much. It wasn’t until he retired and hit rock bottom that he understood where his life was going wrong. A spell in rehab led him to the importance of surrender and vulnerability, and now Drewe teaches young players how to avoid those same pitfalls he made. Not by giving them advice, but by encouraging them to be vulnerable and get in touch with their own inner wisdom.
21/02/191h 2m

Dame Katherine Grainger: Perseverance

Perseverance is all about refusing to give up. It is the hard work you do after you get tired of doing the hard work you already did. Dr Dame Katherine Grainger is Britain’s most decorated female Olympian and undoubtedly its greatest ever female rower. She won gold at London 2012 and silver at four other Games, and her ability to persist and keep going through setbacks and crushing disappointments undoubtedly helped set her apart. In this episode of DTMTS, Katherine sits down with Simon Mundie to relive her stunning Olympic journey, and to unpick the lessons she learnt about perseverance along the way. Katherine and Simon talk about the importance of discovering ‘your why’ and setting your goals high but also having smaller daily benchmarks to tick off along the way. They focus on the importance of being kind to yourself and being aware of how normal it is to be your own worst critic as well as the importance of support networks and being present in the moment but also taking the time to plan ahead. There are nuggets about maintaining a positive mental attitude, how to keep going even when you don’t feel like it, accepting the highs and lows along the way and realising that those tough moments will often be the time where you can learn the most about yourself. If you have any thoughts you wish to share about this episode, get in touch @simonmundie #DTMTS
14/02/191h 0m

James Haskell: Nutrition

Nutrition is crucial for fitness. Whether you want to put on muscle or lose weight, what you eat will largely dictate how successful you’re going to be. This week, Simon Mundie sits down with England rugby international James Haskell who has written two cookbooks. They discuss the key nutrition rules that apply however active you are, and go deep into a subject Simon is also passionate about. Topics covered include a close look at the different macros- carbs, protein and fats- and how much of each you should be having at each meal. They talk about what are the best sources of protein, and why getting enough can be hard if you are a vegetarian, and the importance of carbs if you are training hard. They also cover gut health, probiotics and prebiotics, the importance of fibre and the problem with ready meals. James is a big fan of weighing food so you know exactly the calories you are taking in, and convinces Simon to get onboard, while Simon gets James interested in the probiotic powerhouse kefir. They talk about how much fruit and veggies we should be eating and when, as well as getting into meaty topics like hair transplants, English arrogance, the national anthem and what it’s like having Richard and Judy Madeley as in-laws. Do get in touch @simonmundie
07/02/1951m 8s

Joe Wicks: Community

It’s time to redefine sport. Joe Wicks- aka the Body Coach- says it’s not just about winning trophies and smashing into people down the park on a Sunday, it’s also about exercising together in an environment where collaboration, cooperation and community are all important. Joe is a social media sensation, and one of the world’s most influential fitness stars, and in this episode of Don’t Tell Me The Score, he tells Simon Mundie how he went from running small bootcamps in Surbiton, to breaking the world record for an outdoor HIIT session. Joe has built a huge community of Lean in 15 fans, who support each other in getting fit and healthy, and he shares some golden tips for growing your social media presence and brand. Joe also runs through the key workout moves you can do everywhere and anywhere, and shares his nutrition rules and how they’ve changed since releasing his latest veggie Lean in 15 book. They get into the similarities between music and sport, the power of exercise as a mental health tool, how he plans to change the way schools think about exercise, why you don’t need to join a gym, how to get started, the best time of day to train, what he thinks of intermittent fasting and what Big Sam Allardyce is like after a few glasses of wine.
31/01/1934m 15s

Tracey Crouch MP: Values

Your values and principles determine your behaviour and often your success.This week, Simon sits down with Tracey Crouch MP, who resigned as Sports Minister in November 2018 over "delays" to a crackdown on maximum stakes for fixed-odds betting machines. She was widely praised for sticking to her principles, even though it cost her her 'dream job' in government. Tracey is also a qualified football coach, and in this episode they explore how values and principles are intimately related, and how sport can help develop them. They also discuss how values have gone awry in the gambling industry, how Westminster and top-flight football could set a better example, how you can instill values in children through sport and why getting them active in school is important. They also get into mindfulness and how sport can help your mental health plus Tracey throws in some gardening tips for good measure, but is left unconvinced about the benefits of milk kefir.
24/01/1947m 9s

Alex Honnold: Fear

There’s nothing to fear but fear itself. So said American president Franklin D. Roosevelt, and turns out he had a point. This week, Simon sits down with climbing legend Alex Honnold, the man who climbed a 3000 foot vertical cliff without ropes, to discuss fear and how to overcome it. Alex is a free solo climber, which means he does it without equipment, and his conquering of the awe inspiring El Capitan in America has been described as ‘one of the greatest Athletic feats of any kind, ever’. It was so impressive, they made a film about it called Free Solo. In this episode, Alex talks about his legendary climb, how his childhood affected his choice of career, the importance of preparation and visualisation, how incremental practice can be used to overcome just about any fear, how he used exactly that method to overcome social anxiety and a fear of public speaking, how people are led to believe life is far more dangerous than it actually is, how anxiety and excitement are linked, how drinking alcohol on nights out is cheating, and how to set goals to improve things like your social skills. As ever your thoughts and questions are most welcome: @simonmundie #DTMTS
17/01/1945m 42s

Nick Littehales: Sleep

Want to sleep better? For an ever increasing amount of people, the answer is yes. This week Simon sits down with Elite Sport Sleep Coach Nick Littlehales to uncover the sleep hacking secrets of some of the world’s top sportsmen and women. Nick has worked with a number of the biggest football clubs on the planet including Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City, Team Sky’s Tour De France winning cyclists and Olympic and Paralympic athletes. In this episode of DTMTS Nick reveals how he got Sir Alex Ferguson interested in his methods at a time when sleep issues weren’t so widely discussed. He also talks about the importance of getting your circadian rhythms in sync, why you don’t need 8 hours sleep at night, and why you should find out what sleep chronotype you are.
10/01/1940m 26s

Sarah Lindsay: Reinvention

Everyone considers reinventing themselves either professionally or physically at some point in their life, and January tends to be the month. But it can be daunting to start afresh, and even harder to keep it going. So what are they keys to a successful reinvention? This week Simon sits down with Winter Olympian turned celebrity personal trainer and businesswoman Sarah Lindsay to look at the key attributes and mindsets you need to pursue a new path. Sarah competed at three Winter Olympics, and was a two time world silver medalist and ten time British speed skating champion. After she retired she fell into something of a funk for a year, then saw one business collapse before clawing her way back and building a successful new company up that has become a big favourite with celebrities. These are the lessons she learnt along the way.
02/01/1953m 3s

Joao Medeiros: Winning

At the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, Great Britain ranked thirty-sixth in the medals table, finishing below Algeria and Kazakhstan. By 2016, in Rio, they finished second, above China and Russia, with sixty-seven medals. How have they so convincingly reversed their fortunes? This week Simon sits down with Author Joao Medeiros, who literally wrote the book explaining how. Joao explains the key ingredients behind Team GB’s sporting revolution, and they discuss some of those things workplaces would do well to adopt.
27/12/1846m 6s

Sam Walker: Character

Great people are usually judged by their character. But what exactly are the key components of character, and can they be developed? Simon sits down with best-selling author Sam Walker to answer that question. Sam spent 12 years studying the 25,000 best teams the world has ever seen, and uncovered their secret ingredient, a captain with genuine character. But character is easily misunderstood in the modern celebrity obsessed world, so it's not about chest-thumping speeches, buckets of talent or dazzling charisma. It's all about how you behave with other people, particularly when things aren't going well. The good news is, all the key ingredients to character can be worked on and developed, once you know what they are. Many of the traits have been held up as things to aspire to by philosophers for thousands of years, so this is ancient wisdom as told through modern sporting success.
20/12/181h 5m

Ben Ryan: Motivation

What does it take to motivate a team of people? Offer a carrot or wield a stick? One man who has a fair idea is Ben Ryan, the most successful rugby sevens coach in the world. After a successful stint in charge of England, he upped sticks and moved to Fiji where he was initially met with some suspicion, before leading them to a first ever Olympic gold and being hoisted onto the team's shoulders after the medal ceremony. As well as his keys to motivation, Simon and Ben discuss black magic, dealing with the ultimate scary boss and the importance of following your gut.
13/12/1841m 33s

Mike Brearley: Leadership

What makes a good leader? Is it all about inspirational speeches, or a nurturing arm around the shoulder? One man who knows better than most is Mike Brearley, considered by many to be the greatest ever England cricket captain, who kindly invited Simon to his house for this episode of DTMTS. Mike was in charge for England’s legendary comeback against Australia in the 1981 Ashes, and he lays bare the approach that got the best out of Ian Botham. Mike also went on to become a successful psychoanalyst after his cricket career ended, and they discuss the leadership lessons he learnt there. They also explore the similarities between leadership and parenting, and Mike gives his considered view of the leadership skills of Gareth Southgate, Donald Trump and Theresa May.
06/12/1851m 33s

Rebecca Symes: Identity

Losing your job is hard to stomach, but for athletes it can be particularly tough. More than half of former professional sportspeople have had concerns about their mental or emotional wellbeing since retiring, according to a 2018 BBC survey. This week Simon sits down with sports psychologist Rebecca Symes to explore what makes up someone’s identity or ‘self’, and uncover the reasons why people- and sportspeople in particular- have emotional difficulties when their career finishes. Their identity is inevitably very bound up in their role as an athlete, so when that ends the question ‘who am I’ invariably rises. It’s a question relevant to each and every one of us, and there are lessons we can all take from the struggles many athletes go through.
29/11/1841m 54s

Dr Sherylle Calder: Vision

Everyone knows the importance of training the body. Some people value training the mind. But how many of us train our eyes? This week Simon sits down with Dr Sherylle Calder, creator of the ‘eye gym’ and the world’s top visual skills coach who helped England lift the Rugby World Cup in 2003 and South Africa win it in 2007. She’s now back with England rugby, and has noticed a radical drop in the skills in elite athletes over the last six years, which has coincided with the increased use of smartphones and social media. But it’s not just elite athletes who are being affected, it’s affecting reading and comprehension skills in schools, it’s making drivers drive worse and it’s affecting productivity in business. People are training themselves to be distracted by smartphones, which she refers to as ‘digital cocaine’. Simon and Sherylle explore just how serious the situation is, and what you can do to minimise the risk you face from your phone.
22/11/1844m 27s

Clay Routledge: Tribalism

Most people know someone else who exaggerates their support for a football team. David Cameron may be the most famous example after forgetting whether he was meant to be supporting West Ham or Aston Villa, but he's far from alone. So what’s that all about? Simon talks to behavioural scientist, Professor Clay Routledge to explore tribalism, which may well explain why exaggerating an interest in football is actually a rational thing to do. They trace the roots of tribalism back to the prehistoric hunter gatherer, and explore the similarities between supporting a football team, religion in the bible belt and the current state of politics in the UK and US.
15/11/1838m 32s

James Kerr: Legacy

Better people make better All Blacks. This is the mantra that underpins the statistically most successful sporting team in human history. New Zealand have always been the gold standard when it comes to rugby, but in the early 2000s they also had a reputation for bottling the big moments. That prompted a radical overhaul of their values, which led to a stunning run of success that included back to back World Cup wins. Simon sits down with best selling author James Kerr, who spent 5 weeks embedded with the All Blacks, to find out what we can learn about the culture and ethos of the greatest team on the planet. What are the secrets of sustained success? How do you achieve world-class standards, day after day? How do you handle pressure? What do you leave behind you after you’re gone? Those are just some of the questions Simon and James unravel, as well as discussing what you need to do to become an All Black in your own life.
08/11/1853m 21s

Ian Price: Resilience

As you may have noticed, life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s tough at times, but how you deal with setbacks as and when they arise largely dictates how successful you will be. That’s what performance psychologist Ian Price reckons anyway, and Simon sits down with him to uncover how to build a positive mindset, and asks whether resilience is actually more important than talent. This is all scientifically proven stuff from credible fields like sports psychology and neuroscience, and are the sort of things put into practice by top sports stars including the likes of Sir Andy Murray and the whole of Team GB, on the way to winning Wimbledon titles and Olympic Gold medals.
01/11/1840m 31s

Kelly Holmes: Power of Belief

The placebo effect and Roger Bannister’s 4 minute mile are just two examples of the amazing power of belief. In this episode of DTMTS, Simon Mundie talks to Colonel Dame Kelly Holmes about self-belief, and asks whether it is the single most important factor in success. Kelly was 14 when she decided she was going to be an Olympic champion, and that belief never wavered. She eventually won double gold in Athens 20 years later. So what did she learn about the power of belief during that epic journey to Olympic success? She now helps disadvantaged young people get more belief in themselves too- and shares with Simon how she helps boost their belief- to achieve big things in their own lives. And the Colonel also has some useful thoughts on harnessing the power of belief you could put into practice in your life too.
01/11/1847m 49s

Don't Tell Me The Score

Simon Mundie finds out what sport can teach us about life.
31/10/181m 57s
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