Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole

Season 3 of Who Cares Wins offers a triptych of episodes that all explore how our inner landscapes shape our outer landscapes. For this third episode, Lily spoke with Merlin Sheldrake about how the leading edge of science asks us to shake up our perspectives on reality and our place and possibilities within it. They also discuss different species' perspectives, more-than-human rights, cooperation, entanglement, and just how mysterious our cosmos still is.Merlin Sheldrake is a biologist, writer, and speaker with a background in plant sciences, microbiology, ecology, and the history and philosophy of science. He received a Ph.D. in tropical ecology from Cambridge University for his work on underground fungal networks in tropical forests in Panama. His book, Entangled Life, is a New York Times and Sunday Times bestseller, won the Royal Society Book Prize and the Wainwright Prize. Merlin’s research ranges from fungal biology, to the history of Amazonian ethnobotany, to the relationship between sound and form in resonant systems. A keen brewer and fermenter, he is fascinated by the relationships that arise between humans and more-than-human organisms. He is a musician and performs on the piano and accordion. CreditsAudio Editor & Designer: James PowellArtwork : Bethan SherwoodMusic : Cosmo SheldrakeSponsor : Impossible Links:The MOTH Rights project (More Than Human Rights): https://mothrights.org/Merlin Sheldrake in conversation with David Abram - "Honoring the Wild Proliferation of Earthly Perspectives" : https://emergencemagazine.org/interview/honoring-the-wild-proliferation-of-earthly-perspectives/

Following on from our conversation and meditations from Plum Village, we now share a meditation led by Thich Nhat Hanh.Thich Nhat Hanh was a Vietnamese Buddhist monk, peace activist, poet and teacher, who founded Plum Village, and is often known as the "father of mindfulness."More free meditations like this one can be found via the Plum Village app.Link:https://plumvillage.app/ 

Season 3 of Who Cares Wins offers a triptych of episodes that all explore how our inner landscapes shape our outer landscapes. For this second episode, Lily spoke with Dr Gabor Maté about authenticity, compassionate self-inquiry, and how our internal reality shapes our way of relating to the world.Dr Gabor Maté is a Canadian physician who has written many best-selling books on childhood development, trauma, and addiction. His book on addiction received the Hubert Evans Prize for literary non-fiction. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada. His most recent book was, The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness and Healing in a Toxic Culture. CreditsAudio Editor & Designer: James PowellArtwork : Bethan SherwoodMusic : Cosmo SheldrakeSponsor : Impossible Links:https://drgabormate.com/Dr Gabor Maté speaks with Piers Morgan about the Israel/Palestine conflict, Nov 2023.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9XF39yjgUDr Gabor Maté speaks with his daughter Hannah Maté about the Israel/Palestine conflict, Oct 2023.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDBw-wx6w0

Following on from the conversation between Sister True Dedication and Kate Raworth, here is a short meditation from Sister True D. More free meditations like this one can be found via the Plum Village app.Sister True D is a Zen Buddhist nun ordained by Vietnamese peace activist and monastic Thich Nhat Hanh (known affectionately by students as 'Thay'). Sister True D is a former journalist, Cambridge graduate and edited several of Thich Nhat Hanh's books including 'Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet.' Link:https://plumvillage.app/ 

Season 3 of Who Cares Wins offers a triptych of episodes that all explore how our inner landscapes shape our outer landscapes.In episode one, Lily speaks with pioneering economist Kate Raworth and Sister True Dedication. Kate is the author and creator of Doughnut Economics: an economic model that balances between essential human needs and planetary boundaries. Sister True D is a Zen Buddhist nun ordained by Vietnamese peace activist and monastic Thich Nhat Hanh (known affectionately by students as 'Thay'). Sister True D is a former journalist, Cambridge graduate and edited several of Thich Nhat Hanh's books including 'Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet.' In this episode, Kate, Sister True D and Lily discuss the nature of humanity, the nature of reality, and how Zen concepts such as Inter-Being might be applied to the cultural assumptions that lie underneath our economic and political realities. CreditsAudio Editor & Designer: James PowellArtwork : Bethan SherwoodMusic : Cosmo SheldrakeSponsor : Impossible Linkshttps://plumvillage.org/https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/https://www.ted.com/talks/sister_true_dedication_3_questions_to_build_resilience_and_change_the_world?language=en

This week we are sharing a conversation Lily had with her dear friend and mentor, the late John Burton, who sadly left this world earlier this year. This release is timed to coincide with COP15 (biodiversity) which is happening in Montreal, Canada.John Burton was a co-founder of The World Land Trust and dedicated his life to conservation and protecting land for biodiversity. In this intimate conversation he shares some of his insights from 50+ years of working on the frontline of environmental protection.If you'd like to support conservation projects close to his heart:The John Burton Memorial Fund

We are delighted to share a few bonus episodes coming off the back of COP 27 in Egypt, Sharm El Sheikh. In this episode, Lily reflects on the COP27 outcomes - both positive and negative - with the pioneering activist Tzeporah Berman. Tzeporah co-founded Stand.Earth, led successful logging blockades in British Colombia; and more recently launched the Fossil Fuel Non Proliferation Treaty in 2021 which gained significant momentum in COP27. Lily and Tzeporah also discuss carbon pricing in Canada; the emotional toll and work of climate activism; and visions of the future.Links Tzeporah Berman's  TED talk CreditsAudio Editor: Dizplay StudiosMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeWho Cares Wins intro: Kelsey BennettArtwork: Bethan Sherwood

…and just like that we have finished Series 2 of Who Cares Wins. This season sought to look at some of the social roots underneath the climate crisis - from women’s equality to paternal rights; from Mother Earth to capitalism. What a journey it has been: from LA to the Atacama Desert… from the Amazon Rainforest to Afghanistan. Lily welcomed some incredible voices onto the podcast from Indigenous Activist Nemonte Nenquimo to Comedian Podcaster Deborah Frances White; political commentator Douglas Murray to International Climate Diplomat, Christiana Figueres. Join Lily as she looks back at highlights from each episode, teases out common - and differing - messages, and identifies key solutions voiced, to protect the planet we love.Linkshttps://www.weforum.org/reports/global-gender-gap-report-2022/https://amazonfrontlines.org/campaigns/who-should-decide/ Instagram@lilycole @whocares.winsCreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtwork: Bethan Sherwood

We’re rounding off our Extraordinary Women episodes..and almost the series… with one extremely special woman, Sonia Ramos. Last week on the podcast Lily started her journey into the Atacama Desert where she spoke with Cristina Dorador, a Chilean microbiologist, who is now working on re-writing the Chilean constitution…Cristina has worked closely with indigenous activists, including Sonia Ramos, to draw attention to the threats that lithium mining - booming because of the push for green tech - is having on those ecosystems. As Sonia says: “Cristina’s work is the science of practise….and her’s is the science of observation.”  Sonia walked across Chile multiple times to protest what is happening to her land.  CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Sound designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood 

Who Cares Wins Presents another Extraordinary Woman, Cristina Dorador. Join Lily as she starts her journey into the Atacama Desert in Chile. The Green Tech industry is now booming but what are the implications for the lands that they are mining for lithium? Cristina Dorador is at the forefront of science. As a microbiologist, she is researching and advising on the impact of lithium mining on the indigenous lands of Chile and is dedicating her work to finding environmental solutions to this issue. Not only that but she's now helping to rewrite Chile’s constitution!Part 2 will feature Sonia Ramos next week.With thanks to:https://www.albemarle.com/https://www.impossible.com/CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan Nile Music by Cosmo SheldrakeOther sources: Artlist Artwork: Bethan Sherwood

Who Cares Wins Presents another Extraordinary Women, Zarifa Ghafari.  Zarifa - one of Afghanistan’s youngest female mayors to ever be elected, had to flee the country to Germany last year when the Taliban regained power. She's been tirelessly advocating for women’s rights in a country with one of the highest gender gaps between men and women globally. She is someone who has defied the odds to reach her leadership position but it has not been without sacrifice - she survived 4 assassination attempts, 1 which ultimately killed her Father, General Abdul Wasi Ghafari. The music you will hear throughout is from The Zohra Orchestra : Afghanistan’s first all-female orchestra, named after the music goddess in Persian writings and who performed at Davos in 2017.  LINKShttps://theecologist.org/2022/jun/27/womens-rights-can-mitigate-climate-impactshttps://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/en/reports/economy-development-environment/the-climate-change-crisis-in-afghanistan-the-catastrophe-worsens-what-hope-for-action/https://cn.weforum.org/event_player/a0P68000001Kd0vEAC/sessions/afghanistan-the-day-afterCLIPS AND MUSICIntro: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/afghan-teenage-girls-cant-attend-schoolMusic from The Zohra Orchestra & thanks to Weforum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9-jqGuRDX8CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan Nile Music by Cosmo SheldrakeOther sources: Amazon Frontlines & Artlist Artwork: Bethan Sherwood 

Who Cares Wins Presents Nemonte Nenquimo, the first in our special Extraordinary Women episodes.Nemonte Nenquimo is a Waorani woman, mother and leader, who has dedicated her life to the defence of Indigenous ancestral territory and cultural survival in the Amazon rainforest. She is the co-founder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance and its sister organisation Amazon Frontlines, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province, winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize for Central and South America, the United Nations’ Champions of the Earth Award, BBC 100 Women of 2020 and TIME 100 most influential people in the world. And the ultimate environmental award… Nemonte had a brand new Ecuadorian Lizard species named after her.With thanks to: Ceibo Alliance & Amazon Frontlines. Links: PETITION: https://amazonfrontlines.org/campaigns/who-should-decide/ https://amazonfrontlines.org/partners/waorani/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10KLpj0MWUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw0tSGkYUBo&t=54s This episode was recorded in June 2020. To Follow updates on the ever evolving situation in Ecuador, please go to: https://amazonfrontlines.org/partners/waorani/ CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan Nile Music by Cosmo SheldrakeOther sources: Amazon Frontlines & Artlist Artwork: Bethan Sherwood

Today Lily wants to take a more radical turn on this season’s topic, and share her conversation with renowned political commentator and Author, Douglas Murray. He has written several best selling books - such as The Madness of Crowds, and his most recent book, The War on the West and has been critical of our culture’s increasing focus on gender and race as a way to understand our history and ourselves - which he believes to be dividing our society.Is it possible to recognise the issues of race, gender, class and how they connect with inequities today - whilst not fuelling further division in society - but rather focusing on solutions towards the fairer world so many of us want to see?Who Cares Wins will be back in 2 weeks where we present the stories of some extraordinary women. In the meantime, we’ll leave you feeling hopeful and inspired with weekly drops of Reasons to Be Optimistic. See you then.CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan NileMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtwork: Bethan Sherwood

Continuing our conversations on Fatherhood this week, Lily chats to Will McDonald from the Father's Institute. They describe themselves as the 'Father's think and do tank'. Will is so insightful into the reasons why having a male influence/ figure in a child's life will not only benefit the Father- child relationship but exponentially help the Mother as well; from helping with breastfeeding, giving equal paternity rights and for their own mental health and wellbeing. A fascinating listen!Links http://www.fatherhoodinstitute.org/https://academic.oup.com/jcr/article-abstract/43/4/567/2630509?redirectedFrom=fulltext CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan NileMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood

A delightful conversation to share with you today with Podcast royalty, Chris Sweeney. So far in this series of Who Cares Wins, we've heard many different female perspectives and in these next few episodes I want to dig into the male experience - of being queer, of Fatherhood, acknowledging privilege and why equality will benefit us all..Chris has taken the podcasting world by storm. Having founded the smash hit Homo Sapiens Podcast with Will Young, Chris Sweeney now hosts solo, inviting all conversations from the LGBTQ+ community, looking at the world from a queer perspective.Links https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/homo-sapiens/id1257514825CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor & Designer: Ryan NileMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood

Lily speaks to two globally influential women today. First, Chelsea Clinton, born into a political dynasty, daughter of Bill and Hillary, and now global health advocate. They discuss the impact of climate change disaster on existing gender inequalities in the USA, before we hear from the wonderful Ugandan youth activist Vanessa Nakate- who's country is hugely impacted by the effects of climate change. In 2021 she was named on the Time100 list and appeared on the cover…Links With thanks to the WeForum https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2022/sessions/setting-the-agenda-for-climate-action https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211103-the-countries-calling-for-climate-justice  https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2015/study-fracking-industry-wells-associated-with-premature-birthhttps://www.riseupmovementafrica.org/ CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor & Designer: Ryan NileMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood

Are you outraged or optimistic? Lily and Christiana Figueres hunt for Reasons to Be Optimistic in this ever changing world. CreditsMusic by Cosmo Sheldrake

What would be the environmental impact of having more women in positions of political leadership? Joining Lily today to explore this question amongst others, is a woman who has created monumental changes across the globe. Christiana Figueres has been at the forefront of international environmental policy, including as the lead negotiator of the Historic 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. Christiana is a Costa Rican diplomat; the co-founder of Global Optimism; and co-host of the Outrage and Optimism podcast. CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor & Designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan SherwoodLinkshttps://www.outrageandoptimism.org/http://christianafigueres.com/https://www.globaloptimism.com/ https://womendeliver.org/womensleadership/ https://www.actionaid.org.uk/our-work/emergencies-disasters-humanitarian-response/climate-change-and-gender https://www.jstor.org/stable/30044614

This week we look at some of the barriers to girl’s equal access to education and family planning. Joining Lily is an inspirational young activist from the UK. Outraged by the idea that one in ten girls were missing out on their education due to 'Period Poverty’, at the age of 17, Amika George started the #freePeriods Campaign. An activist, a change maker and author of 'Make it Happen', it's no surprise that she was named as one of Forbes 30 under 30 in the social impact category this year!We also hear from Douce Namwezi N'ibmba in Central Africa who is helping educate women on family planning and making menstrual products accessible for women in East Africa through her work with Uwezo Africa. Useful Links Amika George: Make it Happen - https://www.waterstones.com/book/make-it-happen/amika-george/9780008377601Douce Namwezi N'ibmba- Organisation Uwezo Africa - https://uwezoafrika.orgWhat If We Get It Right? hosts social impact entrepreneurs from around the globe. We’re starting conversations about how people can lead our world in a new direction and looking at where we may be getting it right. https://www.whatifwegetitright.com/CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor & Designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood

Joining Lily today is climate change veteran, Dr Katharine Wilkinson and we ask, why is the fight for gender equality essential if we want to mitigate climate change?Katharine is an author, strategist, teacher, and one of 15 “women who will save the world” according to Time magazine. She is co-founder and executive director of the All We Can Save Project, co-host of the podcast A Matter of Degrees and was the lead author on the world renowned Project Drawdown and Drawdown Review. Useful Links  The All We Can Save Project: https://www.allwecansave.earth All We Can Save anthology: https://www.allwecansave.earth/anthology All We Can Save Circles: https://www.allwecansave.earth/circles Signup for our monthly newsletter: https://www.allwecansave.earth/newsletter We also have a new Climate Wayfinding course: https://www.terra.do/climate-wayfinding-awcs/ Twitter & IG: @allwecansave @drkwilkinson Thank you to ongoing guidance and advice from She Changes Climate in this series. https://www.shechangesclimate.org/CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor & Designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood 

Joining Lily for the start of this brand new series of Who Cares Wins is the comedian, author, icon of Feminism and host of the global hit podcast, The Guilty Feminist. It’s Deborah Frances White. They talk Feminism, Climate Change and Mother Earth herself.  CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor and Designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood Links Robin Wall Kimmerer’s article on the Gift Economy: https://humansandnature.org/returning-the-gift-2021/The Spontaneity Shop : https://www.the-spontaneity-shop.com/ Thank you to ongoing guidance and advice from She Changes Climate in this series. https://www.shechangesclimate.org/

In this bonus episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily Cole presents a blended, thought provoking audio journey on the topic of indigenous wisdom and what we can learn from these remaining cultures about climate change and how to protect the natural world. So in this episode, Lily speaks to 11 indigenous leaders and youth activists from across the globe by weaving together extracts from the pre recorded Listening Sessions hosted with Flourishing Diversity, during the COP 26 summit in late 2021. We also hear the responses of some of the listeners: John Burton, Prince Charles and Zac Goldsmith.Chief Ninawa Huni Kuin - spokesperson for the Huni Kuin people in Acre, Brazil.Agnes Leina - Samburu community, a subset of the Maasai peoples of Kenya.Mindahi Bastida - member of the Otomi-Toltec Nation, Mexico.Cristiane Julião - member of the Pankararu people, northeast Brazil. Tom B.K. Goldtooth - member of the Navajo Nation, America.Eriel Tchekwie Deranger - member of the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, Canada.Sonia Guajajara - environmental and indigenous activist, born in Araribóia Indigenous Land, Brazil. Gregorio Diaz Mirabal -  indigenous leader from Wakuenai Kurripako in the Venezuelan Amazon.Victoria Tauli-Corpuz - indigenous leader from the Kankana-ey Igorot people of the Cordillera Region in the Philippines. Elizabeth Wahtuti - Kenyan environment and climate activist and founder of the Green Generation Initiative.Recommended reading:Robin Wall Kimmerer, Braiding SweetgrassDavi Yanomami Kopenawa, The Falling SkyAilton Krenak, Ideas to Postpone the End of the WorldDina Gilio-Whitaker, As Long as Grass Grows: The Indigenous Fight for Environmental Justice, from Colonization to Standing Rock M. Kat Anderson, Tending the Wild Lewis Hyde, The GiftMarcel Mauss, The GiftJames Suzman, Affluence without AbundanceJulia Watson, Lo—TEK. Design by Radical IndigenismSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

For this bonus episode, Lily explores the issue at the centre of the climate crisis: fossil fuels. Lily also looks at green washing, and the new dangers posed by net-zero pledges. Lily shares insider access - and analysis of the infamous Edinburgh TED Countdown Summit from October 2021, where CEO of Shell Ben van Beurden was pressed on the company’s recently released ‘greenwashed’ net-zero plans, eliciting the first ever TED protest. After an emotional event that saw youth activists leave in protest, Lily is keen to revisit the discussion and give climate science more air-time. So for this episode, she spoke to Professor Gail Whiteman - one of the scientists who analysed Shell’s “Sky Scenario” and interrupted the TED talk to challenge van Beurden’s plans. Lily also includes the voices of indigenous leaders, Eriel Tchekwie Deranger and Tom B.K. Goldtooth, who discuss the effects of fossil fuel companies on their land, and climate activist Vanessa NakateThanks to TED for their permission to include this talk in the episode, you can find the full talk via this linkThanks to Joe Lycett for letting us include his advert Joe Lycett Vs The Oil Giant | The Ad Shell Would NEVER MakeFor more on Eriel Tchekwie Deranger please follow her work on Indigenous Climate Action.For more on Tom B.K. Goldtooth please follow his work at Indiginous Rising and the Indigenous Environmental Network.For more on Vanessa Nakate please follow activism over on TwitterFor more on the Stop Cambo campaign, mentioned by Lauren MacDonald, please visit their websiteTo learn more about Christiana Figueres, check out her book: The Future We ChooseAnd to learn more about the team of scientists among Professor Gail Whiteman at Arctic Basecamp, please visit the website.Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

For this bonus episode, Lily spoke to the physicist and best selling author Carlo Rovelli, about the more fundamental questions: what is reality and how much do we understand it? In this intriguing discussion of consciousness, climate science, quantum physics and doubt, the possibilities widen ahead of us. Some of Carlo’s books relevant to this discussion:Seven Brief Lessons on PhysicsReality Is Not What It SeemsThere Are Places in the World Where Rules Are Less Important Than KindnessHelgolandFor updates on Who Cares Wins, please check out our social channels:@impossible @lilycole@whocares.winsMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

How much should we care? In this final season episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores the overwhelm and grief that can come with climate action. But conversely, if we truly understand the destruction that is taking place, why do we continue with business as usual? Are many of us living in denial? We hear from poet-songwriter Patti Smith about what she learned from the Dalai Lama. Writer Jonathan Safran Foer discusses the emphatic leap required; and film-maker Joshua Oppenheimer shares what he learnt about cognitive dissonance when filming The Act of Killing, and the stories we tell ourselves to justify our actions. Lily also speaks with climate activist and lawmaker Farhana Yamin about her journey to and through eco-grief, and psychologist Julia Samuels discusses her clinical experience of eco-grief and anxiety, and tools we might use to lesson overwhelm. Finally, Wade Davis offers wisdom from Tibet. You can find out more about Farhana Yamin and Jonathan Safran Foer, as well as many of the themes explored in this episode, in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMWith thanks to the How to Academy for allowing us the use of the interview with Jonathan Safran Foer. How to Academy have their own weekly podcast featuring some of the world's leading thinkers - available to stream from How To Academy dot com or wherever you get your podcasts.www.howtoacademy.com/podcastsAnd thanks to Yeti Television for allowing us the use of the interview with Patti Smith, as well as to Liz Friend, the Producer and Director of the interview. Please find a reading list and more information from our featured guests:Jonathan Safran Foer: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/310/310101/we-are-the-weather/9780241984918.htmlJoshua Oppenheimer: https://shop.bfi.org.uk/joshua-oppenheimer-12-early-works.htmlJulia Samuels: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-too-shall-pass/julia-samuel/9780241348864Wade Davis: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Are things getting better? In this episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily speaks to a selection of thinkers and leaders to talk about the cultural, political and social forces that are at play in shaping how we respond to the ecological crisis: whether identity politics risks damaging community; and whether we can protect and preserve cultural identity without xenophobia. Professor of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia Wade Davis, speaks to Lily about his Rolling Stone Article highlighting Covid-19 as the pivotal shift in the unravelling of the American Empire, but also what we can learn from the indigenous communities he’s studied during his career. This episode also features an interview with two members of the the Yawanawa Amazonian tribe on what they believe our different cultures can learn from one another. Lily speaks to youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate about how clan identities in Ugandan culture have been used to preserve ecosystems; whilst folk song collector Sam Lee talks about how he seeks out the ancient oral traditions in the British Isles. The episode concludes with songs from Sam Lee and the Yawanawa.You can find out more about the themes touched on in this episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM To enter the competition to leave a review of the podcast for the chance to win a free download of the audiobook edition of Who Cares Wins, please enter your details and view the T&Cs here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/october/who-cares-wins.htmlPlease find a reading list from our featured guests: Wade Davis's Rolling Stone Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/Wade Davis's book The Wayfinders: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780887847660?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAkan9BRAqEiwAP9X6UW-H1X56GFjHkOo_DzfROpdwLpgt5e8ZWABtUa0b8WWSihThX_veaBoCHwUQAvD_BwEWade Davis' book Magdelena: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781847926104?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAtK79BRAIEiwA4OskBv9MW_TD1T0Y-FAKLB1atGqPtMaiNUWCgod-mL-2c7hKLyX2hF5jMRoCwnQQAvD_BwE  Vanessa Nakate's climate speech at The 10th annual Desmond Tutu peace lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOi04L0OHo&feature=emb_logo Sam Lee's Nightingale book: https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1085629/sam-lee.htmlSam Lee's album Old Wow: https://samleesong.co.uk/recordings/old-wow/   Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is growth good? In this week’s episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores how global economic development has both contributed to the climate crisis and, others argue, is helping solve it. Lily speaks to the thought leaders in sustainability who question relentless economic growth: fashion consultant Aja Barber, director of Greenpeace UK John Sauven, and writer George Monbiot.Lily also explores the other side of the debate; looking at Lisa Jackson’s work at Apple as a case study of corporate environmental ambition; and speaking with the principal research scientist at MIT Andrew Mcafee, who argues that it is possible to decouple economic growth from environmental impact, and that intense competition and technology (through growth) is already helping us to get “more from less.”Finally, biologist and author Merlin Sheldrake helps listeners understand the role of growth, cooperation and competition in evolution.You can learn more from George Monbiot, Lisa Jackson and other advocates of conscious consumerism or de-growth in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMPlease find a reading list from our featured guests, or their references: Merlin Sheldrake - Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds and Shape Our Futures: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1115381/entangled-life/9781847925190.html George Monbiot - Feral: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/180586/feral/9780141975580.html George Monbiot - Out of the Wreckage: https://www.versobooks.com/books/2732-out-of-the-wreckage Andrew McAfee - More from Less: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/More-from-Less/Andrew-McAfee/9781982103583 Jason Hickels - Less is More: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1119823/less-is-more/9781785152498.html David Pilings - The Growth Delusion: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-growth-delusion-9781408893722/ Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is democracy under threat or should we relax and read less news?Building on the conversation from the previous episode, Lily investigates how our public awareness is shaped by the media we consume. Lily speaks with Carole Cadwalladr - the groundbreaking investigative journalist who broke The Facebook–Cambridge Analytica scandal; as well as Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief and member of the Facebook Oversight Board. Lily also hears from Ugandan youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate on how she uses social media to draw attention to marginalised voices; and David Attenborough on the importance of television for growing environmental awareness. The episode concludes with a thought provoking conversation with historian and author Rutger Bregman about our negativity bias, and why perhaps, we should simply read less news.With thanks to the Radio Times for giving permission to use the interview with David Attenborough, and to Hay Festival for their permission to use the interview with Rutger Bregman.You can find out more about the themes touched on in episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM Please find a reading list from our featured guests:David Attenborough's new book, A Life on Our Planet:Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30HCjCOAudible: https://bit.ly/2FyV3g5Carole Cadwalladr’s Ted Talk:https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=pt-brRutger Bregman’s latest book: Humankind: a hopeful historyhttps://www.waterstones.com/book/humankind/rutger-bregman/9781408898932Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Can you change a system from within? In light of the UN’s call for “transformative systemic change”, in this week’s episode Lily explores how that systemic change might actually happen: wondering if our legal and political machinery is up to the task, and asking why people are taking to the streets, and even getting arrested, to try to change our laws. Lily speaks to four environmentalists who share similar aims but very different pathways: an MP and Minister working with and within the UK government; activists activity rebelling against the UK government; law makers and law breakers. Guests include the UK’s Conservative Environmental Minister Zac Goldsmith, Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, environmental lawyer and activist Farhana Yamin and co-founder of Extinction Rebellion Gail Bradbrook.   Questioning whether the pressure from the outside is necessary to shift gears in the conversation, this is a fascinating episode that ultimately explores where power lies in a crisis. You can hear more from Farhana Yamin, Caroline Lucas, Gail Bradbrook, and other protestors and politicians in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Where did it all go wrong? This week, Lily addresses a paradox in the environmental movement - affordability. Is our economy structured in a way that makes being environmental prohibitively expensive? Or are the wealthy creating most of the emissions? How do we afford sustainability and can we afford not to? Speaking to a plethora of intellectuals, Lily explores the connections between equality and the environment - and looks at political solutions that seek to ally environmental sustainability with social justice. Lily speaks with the economist who has spent decades pushing forward a Universal Basic Income, Professor Guy Standing, co-founder of the Economic Security Project Natalie Foster and Mayor Tubbs who is leading a trial UBI project in California. This episode also includes writer Alison Stine, advocate of carbon pricing Elon Musk and anthropologist James Suzman who discusses the origins of inequality. As ever, Lily creates a space of discussion and discovery, encouraging us to seek optimism in the solutions that exist. You can hear more from Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, James Suzman and many others in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now:Waterstones: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMPlease find a reading list from our featured guests:Alison Stine - Road Out Of Winter https://www.harlequintradepublishing.com/shop/books/9780778309925_the-growers-tale.htmlJames Suzman - Work: A history of how we spend our time. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Work-History-How-Spend-Time/dp/152660499XGuy Standing - Battling Eight Giants https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/battling-eight-giants-9780755600632/Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is meat killing us? Diving deep into one of the most important and polarising debates in the environmental movement, Lily tackles what we eat. Speaking to the co-founder of Linda McCartney foods Paul McCartney and founder of Impossible Foods Pat Brown,Lily explores the ethical and environmental arguments driving the boom in faux meat products. On the other side of the fence, Lily wonders if there is a version of animal agriculture that restores soil health, speaking to the author of Wilding, Isabella Tree, as well as the author and activist Alice Waters who advocates regenerative farming, local, organic and seasonal produce.You can find out more in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHAmazon: https://amzn.to/30PxNmjApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is Technology the solution or the problem? Featuring Mark Boyle and Elon Musk. In this first episode of Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole, Lily presents two opposing philosophical perspectives on environmentalism, in particular examining technology's role in our future. Lily welcomes her friend, and prophet of the tech free narrative, Mark Boyle who has given up all forms of technology in his modern life since 2015.On the other end of the spectrum, and on the other side of the world, Lily speaks with founder of SpaceX and Tesla - Elon Musk - about space travel, energy generation and why Elon has dedicated his life’s work to green technology. There's something to learn from both viewpoints, as Lily explores how we might find our way to sustainability and happiness.You can find out more about Mark Boyle and Elon Musk in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHAmazon: https://amzn.to/30PxNmjApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Introducing Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole. Episode 1 coming soon.See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.