The Next Level

Sarah joins Tim and JVL fresh off a heated panel at the Dealbook Summit with Kevin McCarthy, Kellyanne Conway, Anita Dunn and more. The gang also discuss Pete Hegseth’s potentially doomed nomination for Secretary of Defense, the possibility of Ron DeSantis replacing him, Lara Trump becoming the senator for Florida, and Donald Trump’s concepts of a plan to end the war in Ukraine. Get 25% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Head to ZBiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off.

Donald Trump won by aligning with cranks like RFK Jr. Should the Dems follow suit to win? Plus, Rep. Nancy Mace’s bullying of her new trans-coworker and the latest ridiculous picks to join the Trump administration. Sam Stein fills in for Sarah on today’s episode! Head to http://lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase. Head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 35% off your order now until December 3rd. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

The gang discuss Donald Trump's "joke" to the House GOP that it's possible he'll run for a third term. Plus, Trump's insane Cabinet nominees, the mistakes of Merrick Garland and Elon Musk's weird, and potentially doomed, relationship with Trump. Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 for 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next two months! For 25% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, head to BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL

It’s been three days since Donald Trump beat Vice President Kamala Harris to be our 47th president. The gang attempts to start to unravel the question of what the Democratic Party must do to win working class voters, and debate what type of insanity we should root for from a second Trump term. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout Get 10 FREE meals at HelloFresh.com/freethenextlevel

Sarah and JVL have a lot of thoughts about Trump’s threat against Liz Cheney, Larry Hogan’s latest, and the refusal of some leaders to get off the sidelines. Also about J-Lo and Hustlers. Which is a wildly under-rated movie. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang assemble for their last official episode before the election on Tuesday. They give their final thoughts on where the race is at, alongside discussion on the closing arguments of both candidates and President Joe Biden’s gaffe last night. This holiday season, give the gift of Soul. Head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off your order.

Sarah and JVL look at the polling and the vibes and come to slightly different conclusions. Then Sarah lets it rip about John Kelly. (Again.) And then JVL goes to the Dark Place. It’s a real journey. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang reacts to the revelations that Gen. John Kelly, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff during his administration, believe the former president is a fascist and admired Adolf Hitler’s generals. This should be the October surprise, but the media seems incapable of treating it with the time and gravity the news requires. Meanwhile, Trump’s defenders claim Kelly to be a liar or minimize the disqualifying nature of the general’s testimony. Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 for 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next two months!

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and Jonathan V. Last stop in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on their swing state tour. They discuss the state of the race, Donald Trump's support from billionaires, RFK Jr. joining the Trump cabinet, the Trump campaign wanting Nikki Haley to help them out while Trump insults her, and why, with the polls indicating a coin clip race, our gang still thinks Kamala Harris will pull out a win. This episode was taped on October 18, 2024*

The gang talks Donald Trump’s bizarre town hall that turned into a concert, and how it presents the clearest closing argument for Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign: the man’s lost his marbles. Plus the media’s insufficient job holding Trump and his surrogates, like Gov. Glenn Youngkin, accountable, and insights into Tim’s interview with tech bro Jason Calacanis. Get 20% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel Go to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your Lumen! Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

You know when someone says something that’s both obvious and profound and it crystallizes something you’ve long felt but couldn’t articulate? That’s what Angela Alsobrooks did to Larry Hogan last night and it was something else. Also: Sarah and JVL talk about the swing-state vibe shift in Trump’s direction and the idea that Trump has a ceiling. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

MAGA’s lies about hurricanes affecting the U.S. are as ridiculous as they are dangerous, leading some in the GOP to try to debunk the false reality their party created. Plus, Bob Woodward’s new book contains disturbing allegations of Donald Trump’s relationship with Vladimir Putin, both during and since his time in the White House, and Sarah gives some insights into her recent Nevada focus groups. Details for our Bulwark Live Swing State Swing tour are coming soon to TheBulwark.com/events. Head to ZBiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off. Get 10 FREE meals at HelloFresh.com/freethenextlevel

Let’s be honest, the gang loathes JD Vance with a burning passion and wanted Tim Walz destroy him. Instead, Walz was Mr. Midwest Nice. Did he miss an opportunity? Or was it exactly what the Harris campaign needed? Plus, the gang give their thoughts on the International Longshoremen’s Association’s strike and Judge Aileen Cannon getting another case related to Donald Trump. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

Sarah can’t stop JVL from talking about the $100,000 Trump Watch. It’s pure candy this week. Also: A look ahead to Walz versus Vance. And is Kamala Harris “doing enough”? Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang discuss Gov. Tim Walz’s lack of media appearances compared to Sen. JD Vance, Vice President Kamala Harris’s media strategy, Sen. Mitt Romney continuing to not endorse Harris, despite being fearful of Donald Trump’s wrath, and the ethics of online gambling! Go to greenchef.com/nextlevelclass for 50% off your first box + 50 FREE Credits with ClassPass!

Republican candidates and boat parades. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

Post-debate movement is looking promising for Vice President Harris. Is the race still a tossup? It could come down to turnout between Harris’s newly enthused electorate and Donald Trump’s disgruntled male voters. Plus, the Trump campaign’s continued repugnant smears on Haitian migrants are having real-life consequences the ticket just doesn’t seem to care about. Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL For FREE breakfast for life go to HelloFresh.com/freethenextlevel

Sarah and JVL go 10 rounds on the the debate, and fact checking, and the proper role of moderators and news organizations in holding candidates accountable for presenting misinformation. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

Vice President Kamala Harris exceeded all expectations during her debate against a beta Donald Trump. The gang breaks down their thoughts on the debate, swing voter reactions, and potential ways it could affect the race. Plus, Tim gives some insight into his time in the spin room post-debate, including the fiery interactions with Sen. Lindsey Graham and other pro-Trump personalities. Head to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase. Head to FACTORMEALS.com/thenextlevel50 and use code thenextlevel50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month.

Sarah Longwell, Jonathan V. Last, Tim Miller, Sam Stein and AB Stoddard give their immediate reactions to the Harris vs. Trump debate! Watch the full livestream on YouTube here: https://youtube.com/live/-xqxl2ICGPo?feature=share

Plus: Russian operatives and Nazi historians. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang talk what Kamala Harris needs to do in her debate against Trump to reignite her momentum, Republicans who want Donald Trump to lose to save their party, political yards signs and more! Check out Tim’s video on Harris’s “accent changes” here: https://youtu.be/wludyr3riKY Get 15% off OneSkin with the code NEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Head to ZBiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off.

It's been a month since all three of our gang have recorded the show together, so they're delving deep into the state of the presidential race now that the DNC has concluded. Plus, Tim, Sarah and JVL all get their own rant on what's infuriated them in politics. Head to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase Go to greenchef.com/nextlevelclass for 50% off your first box + 50 FREE Credits with ClassPass!

JVL and Bill Kristol talk about the unsettling feeling that the campaign is going . . . really well. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

Apparently, this is the week for so-called moderate Republicans to come out and voice their support for Trump, despite no one asking them too. This included former Sen. Richard Burr, who finds no contradiction between a vote for Trump and his vote to impeach him for Jan. 6. Plus, what's the best case scenario for Vice President Kamala Harris' campaign, and how likely is it we'll get it in November. And JVL, back from vacation, gives his thoughts on Trump's apparent meltdown and the selection of Gov. Tim Walz as Harris's VP. Sam Stein subs in for Sarah on this weeks episode. Head to rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use promo code THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% off your entire order!

Vice President Kamala Harris selected Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as her running mate, and everyone but Never-Trump Republicans is happy! Plus, Donald Trump makes an insane Truth Social post where he fantasizes about President Joe Biden getting back into the race. Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.

The conservatives who hate Simone Biles and the progressives who don't like Josh Shapiro. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The campaign has completely turned on its head after Vice President Kamala Harris became the Democratic Party’s nominee. She’s got the right message, the right mentality, and an excited base that could propel her to a win against Donald Trump in November. The Trump campaign, by the way, is completely panicking, as shown by its public shunning of Project 2025 and second guessing of Sen. JD Vance as Trump’s running mate. Plus, the gang weighs in on the veepstakes and, spoiler alert, they’re all on the same page when it comes to who should join the ticket! We’re heading to Dallas on September 5 for An Evening with The Bulwark. For more information and tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Get 15% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel

If she crosses over to become a mainstream cultural figure, then watch out . . . Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

President Biden stepping off the ticket and endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris has led to a huge vibe shift with Democrats. Can Harris ride this wave to November? What are her strengths and weaknesses? And who should she pick as her own veep? Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL Head to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase.

Trump, Tucker, J.D. Vance, and the beginning of the real campaign. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The Republican Nation convention is underway, and every former critic still in the party, from Donald Trump’s new veep JD Vance to Nikki, is bending the knee in a show of unity. Plus, the Biden campaign continues to go after critics in the part who think he should step aside, even as the map to victory continues to shrink. We’re heading to Dallas on September 5 for An Evening with The Bulwark. For more information and tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Go to greenchef.com.nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 to get 50% off, plus 20% off your next two months!

In some concerning ways, President Biden has taken a page out of Donald Trump’s book some in his party pressure him to leave the ticket, and a few of his supporters are attacking anyone opposed to his place atop the Democratic ticket. At the same time, some Democrats who publicly, and accurately, call another Trump term a serious threat to democracy don’t really think that’s the case, and their actions show it. Plus, Sarah gives some focus group insights on how Black voters feel about Vice President Harris leading the ticket, as well as how swing voters are viewing the election post-debate. Get the best savings of the season during Boll & Branch’s Annual Summer Event. For a limited time, you can get 20% off sitewide, plus free shipping AND a free gift with qualifying purchases at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel

Being in the out-group. Again. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

Voters, not just pundits and donors, are in a panic over whether President Joe Biden should remain atop the ticket, with more and more Americans calling for him to step aside for Democrats to have the best shot of protecting the country from another rump presidency. Is Vice President Kamala Harris the only person who could replace him? Or should the Democratic Party try to put a popular midwest governor on the ballot. Either way, SCOTUS has given the next president of the U.S. an enormous amount of power, which could be used to break democracy as we know it. Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout

Yesterday's primary results kicked out Democratic Rep. Jamaal Bowman, but welcomed back Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert, because the Dems have standards. Plus, polls show more voters, somehow, think Donald Trump will be better for Democracy than President Biden, but can the current president turn things around with tomorrow's debate? Will Saletan subs in for Sarah on today's episode! Go to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your Lumen! Save 83% percent on IPVanish's 2-Year subscription by visiting IPVanish.com/thenextlevel. Get started today with 15% OneSkin off using code THENEXTLEVEL at oneskin.co! #sponsored

In this special TNL/Dark Side mash-up, JVL & A.B. attempt to break Tim's resolve by discussing President Biden's concerning showing in a new Ann Selzer poll, Black voters’ waning support for Biden, the rallying of CEOs to Donald Trump's cause, and the culture war drama surrounding Caitlin Clark. Note: There will be no new episode of The Next Level until Wednesday, June 26th. Get started with this limited-time offer and save 83% percent on our 2-Year subscription, visit https://www.ipvanish.com/thenextlevel Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 to get 50% off, plus 20% off your next two months!

Hunter Biden's conviction might be beneficial for Joe Biden's campaign, but that hasn't stopped the GOP from dismissing the justice they claim to crave and spreading conspiracies the trial was orchestrated by the "deep state." Plus, Donald Trump's Truth Social is producing an embarrassingly small amount of money, new inflation numbers, the issue of crime, and Sonny, subbing in for Tim, gives his opposing thoughts on the latest Samuel Alito/SCOTUS drama. Go to HelloFresh.com/thenextlevelapps for FREE appetizers for life! One appetizer item per box while subscription is active. Go to BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel for 15% off your first sheet set plus free shipping!

The GOP continues to be all in on Donald Trump, even after a conviction, choosing to blame the deep state rather than do a single thing to deter the felon's comeback. But have the polls shifted in President Biden's favor since the verdict? Plus, Trump and Biden's dual Time interviews, Biden takes new executive action on immigration and Sen. Joe Manchin leaves the Democratic Party. Head to FACTORMEALS.com/thenextlevel50 and use code thenextlevel50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month. Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.

It's the only question that matters. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast Join Sarah, Tim and JVL for a live show in Denver on June 21. Tickets are on sale now at TheBulwark.com/events.

The jury in Trump’s trial is now deliberating, and the gang discusses the impact a conviction, hung jury or acquittal could have on the election. Plus, the scandal surrounding SCOTUS Justice Samuel Alito continues to escalate, and the Democrats are in total freakout mode as polls continue to show Trump winning against President Biden. Head to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase. Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL Join Tim, Sarah and JVL for a one-night show in Denver on Friday, June 21. The gang will record an episode of The Next Level and Tim will interview Gov. Jared Polis for the Bulwark Podcast. For tickets and info go to TheBulwark.com/events.

It's been a a chaotic week in GOP politics, with Donald Trump sharing a video hyping up a "United Reich, SCOTUS Justice Alito's upside down flag revelation, and a new MAGA conspiracy making the rounds claiming the FBI tried to assassinate Trump.  Oh, and voters continue to see the economy as horrendous, while failing to register Trump as a socially conservative radical. Join Tim, Sarah and JVL for a one-night show in Denver on Friday, June 21. The gang will record an episode of The Next Level and Tim will interview Gov. Jared Polis for the Bulwark Podcast. For tickets and info go to TheBulwark.com/events. Go to BollandBranch.com/nextlevel for 15% off your first sheet set plus free shipping! Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 to get 50% off, plus 20% off your next two months!

Sarah and JVL talk about Samuel Alito’s flag, Greg Abbott’s favorite murderer, MTG’s spectacle, and Bob Menendez’s gold bars. The scumbags are ascendent and it is glorious. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast Join Sarah, Tim and JVL for a live show in Denver on June 21. Tickets are on sale now at TheBulwark.com/events.

The gang was live in D.C. last night to talk President Biden challenging Donald Trump to a debate in June. The former president accepted the early debate, but is it a smart move from the White House? Plus, the gang dives deep on where they stand on recent polling and the mindset of “the people,” and ponder whether they would vote for former GOP. Gov. Larry Hogan for the open Maryland senate seat now that the Democratic primary in the state is over.

Sarah and JVL talk about the cross examination of Stormy Daniels, Biden’s move to deny Israel heavy ordinance, Marco Rubio’s VP quest, and all of the anti-anti-Trumpers getting ready to jump back on side. It’s a big episode. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

Stormy Daniels takes the stand in one of Trump's trials, while Judge Aileen Cannon indefinitely delays another! Plus, what's the difference between former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and former Speaker Paul Ryan? One will does the right thing and vote for Joe Biden, while the other can only bring himself to write-in another conservative. Head to FACTORMEALS.com/thenextlevel50 and use code thenextlevel50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month! Head to ZBiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off.

Also: Trump's first criminal trial is going great. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

The gang went to Philly and hosted a live event where they discussed the terrifying new Time magazine interview with Donald Trump, and why everyone is talking about college protests instead! Plus, a dark deep dive into how Americans can still choose to elect Trump and a debate on which Republican has embarrassed themselves the most auditioning to be his veep.

And it's not clear that the SCOTUS would want to, even if it could. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

David Pecker’s testimony in Trump's trial highlights how his lies and misinformation dominated his 2016 campaign. And Marco Rubio's pathetic attempt to become Trump's veep has led him to vote against funding for Ukraine, but the gang is pretty sure conservative "normies" will eat the selection up.  Plus, the potential for RFK Jr. to hurt Trump, rather than Biden, the reason why foreign aid finally got done, and protests at Columbia University. Head to rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use promo code THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% off your entire order! Join Sarah, Tim and JVL  for a Bulwark Live event in Philly on May 1 and May 15 in D.C. with the George Conway. For information and tickets head to TheBulwark.com/events

Sarah was out of pocket and off the grid all week. JVL was doing his best work in Overtime. So they play a rapid-fire game of catch up on everything Sarah missed. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

Speaker Mike Johnson is battling Marjorie Taylor Greene's attempt to oust him while also crafting legislation to give foreign allies aid, a tall task given how continually chaotic his slim majority has been.  Plus, jurors are selected for Donald Trump's trial, while JVL and A.B., subbing in for Sarah, give their thoughts on Tim's interview with Ross Douthat. Get tickets to see Sarah, Tim & JVL in person at TWO upcoming Bulwark Live events— Philadelphia (May 1) and D.C. (May 15) with the George Conway here: TheBulwark.com/events Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 to get 50% off, plus 20% off your next two months!

And cancer finally catches up with O.J. Simpson. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

The OG trio is back to discuss the Arizona Supreme Court's upholding of an 1864 law banning nearly all abortions in the state. What does this mean for Kari Lake and Donald Trump's campaigns in the crucial swing state? Get tickets to see Sarah, Tim & JVL live at TWO upcoming events in Philadelphia (May 1) and D.C. (May 15) here: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bulwark-events

Tim subs in for Sarah to talk new economic data that hopefully starts to make Americans feel good enough to vote for President Biden! Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

Nikki Haley pulled a decent chunk of the Wisconsin primary vote, despite being out of the race for weeks, while the Governor of Nebraska is taking the lead of Charlie Kirk when it comes to changing their electoral college system. Plus, while JVL is out on Spring Break, Andrew Eggers joins Tim and Sarah to discuss their absent colleague's piece about Donald Trump running for a third term! Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout!

Ronna McDaniel wasn't hired to analyze the news. She was hired to play a part. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

The RNC, now under Lara Trump, is asking candidates if they believe the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump, creating a new litmus test for Republicans who want to work in politics. Plus, Republicans politicize the tragic Baltimore bridge collapse, Candace Owens is out at the Daily Wire, and Donald Trump grifts off selling bibles! Will Saletan subs in for Sarah on this week's episode! Head to FACTORMEALS.com/thenextlevel50 and use code thenextlevel50 to get 50% off! Head to rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use promo code THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% off your entire order.

Trump-endorsed businessman Bernie Moreno easily won the GOP senate primary in Ohio on Tuesday, and will face off against Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown in November. Dems are thrilled, because they think the MAGA candidate and his scandals give them their best shot at keeping the seat. And how many votes is Nikki Haley getting after dropping out? What does it mean for the general election? Plus, the debate over Donald Trump's "bloodbath" comments continues to rage, and not all our hosts agree the coverage has been fair. At the same time, Trump has threatened to prosecute Cassidy Hutchinson and the Jan. 6 committee as part of his latest authoritarian promises.

Lara Trump's takeover of the RNC has led to massive lay offs and looks to be steering the political organization towards paying off Trump's legal bills. Essentially, get ready for the RNC to be just another limb of the Trump campaign. Plus, Robert Hur testifies before Congress, defending his controversial report where he made a low assessment of President Biden's mental faculties. And Rep. Nancy Mace is feuding with George Stephanopoulos after being questioned about supporting Trump, even though he was found liable of sexual abuse.

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Super Tuesday has come to the close, and so has the entire 2024 primary season. Nikki Haley has dropped out, essentially sealing to deal on another Trump vs. Biden rematch. How are the hosts feeling now that the GOP is sprinting towards November with an aspiring dictator at the top of their ticket? Listen to find out! Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.

We finally got the Trump-Biden split-screen. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

Both President Joe Biden and Donald Trump scored big victories in their respective Michigan primaries, but what do the numbers tell us about the general election? Regardless, Biden is finally speaking in public more, and taking shots at both Trump and the GOP while he's at it. Senate Republicans are also on the verge of killing a bill to protect IVF, with Senator J.D. Vance calling the Democratic legislation "bait." Plus, Hunter Biden testifies before Congress and Rep. Lauren Boebert's son is arrested.

Listen to Sarah Longwell, Jonathan V. Last and A.B. Stoddard live on stage at the 2024 Principles First Summit!

Everything, everywhere, all at once. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/s/thesecretpodcast

The House GOP's key informant for their impeachment efforts against President Joe Biden has charged with lying about his the Biden family's business dealings in Ukraine. How is this not a bigger deal!  Plus, the gang discuss Nikki Haley's vow to stay in the race as the South Carolina primary approaches, as well as the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 proposals for Donald Trump if he wins another term in the White House. Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at  https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/thenextlevel today to get 10% off your first month.

A study in contrast. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/it-follows

Dems continue their special election winning streak by flipping expelled Congressman George Santos' seat. Is it reason to be optimistic for November? And did the GOP sinking the border deal contribute? Plus, Sarah is back and responds to opinions President Joe Biden is too old and needs to step aside, and the gang debate whether Nikki Haley will ultimately endorse Donald Trump. Learn more about the Principles First Summit and get your tickets here: https://www.principlesfirst.us Start the Good Habit at https://tryfum.com/LEVEL to save 10% off the Journey Pack today.

Once authoritarianism enters the political realm, it distorts everything. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/it-follows

It's been a mess of a week for the GOP. Senate Republicans tanked their own bipartisan border bill, while House Republicans failed to deliver the votes to impeach Alejandro Mayorkas, Secretary of Homeland Security, and provide aid to Israel. The DC Court of Appeals also ruled that former President Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution, just as RNC chair Ronna McDaniel steps down to make way for a Trump loyalist. A.B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah in this week's packed episode! Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout. ZBiotics is backed with 100% money back guarantee so if you’re unsatisfied for any reason, they’ll refund your money, no questions asked.

Tim is joined by attorney Tristan Snell, who helped lead the prosecution of Trump University. They discuss the case and delve into the best legal strategies to take on Donald Trump with, so that the tyrant can finally be held accountable for his crimes. Buy Tristan's book, "Taking Down Trump: 12 Rules For Prosecuting Donald Trump By Someone Who Did It Successfully," here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/756546/taking-down-trump-by-tristan-snell/

Also: How not to live and/or die with the polls over the next 9 months.

Biden is still down in the polls, but is it still too soon to take them seriously? Sarah has thoughts on which of the swing states Biden has to win, and she disagrees with JVL's thoughts on Nikki Haley finally going after Trump. Plus, the Trump endorsements are really starting to get to Tim, and MAGA rages against Taylor Swift for being a successful, popular liberal. Go to greenchef.com/60nextlevel and use code 60nextlevel to get 60% off, plus 20% off your next two months. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to TryMiracle.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. 

If you want more Ballot Box with Bill and Tim, check out The Bulwark's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@bulwarkmedia Bill and Tim are live every Tuesday night at 9pm Eastern.

Tim is joined by Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter, Jaime, perished in 2018's Parkland school shooting. He's since dedicated his life to advocating for gun control measures  and taking on the NRA. In a heart-wrenching episode, Fred describes the day of the shooting and how his daughter still motivates him to make change.

Tim Miller speaks with Democratic Rep. Jake Auchincloss on the status of the Ukraine/border deal negotiations, as well as the prospect of Donald Trump sinking it for political purposes.

New Hampshire's come and gone, and while Nikki Haley hasn't dropped out of the primary, the overwhelming consensus is that the general election between Donald Trump and President Joe Biden has begun. The gang breaks down the implications of Tuesday's results, including Trump's angry reaction to Haley staying in the race. Plus, they react to Tim Scott's sad endorsement of Trump and the current state of Dean Phillips' primary challenge to Biden. This episode is sponsored by by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/THENEXTLEVEL and get on your way to being your best self.

In a special climate episode of TNL Sunday, David Wallace-Wells, author of The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming, joins Tim to discuss the current state of climate change and efforts to reverse the damage that's been done.

In this third edition of “George Conway Explains it All,” George explains to Sarah Longwell how he gave legal advice to E. Jean Carroll and helped connect her with her lawyer, Trump’s many, many other trials, and Trump’s big mad TruthSocial bleats directed at George.

In a special recording of their YouTube show, "Ballot Box," Bill and Tim recap the Iowa Caucus, discuss strategies for New Hampshire and where Democrats could be doing better.

The gang breaks down Donald Trump’s big win in Iowa, as well as what comes next for the other candidates in the primary. One thing’s for sure, Republicans in the Senate had their chance to convict Trump and destroy his chances at a comeback, but here we are. Go to tryfum.com/LEVEL to save 10% off Fum’s Journey Pack today.  Start the New Year off right with a delicious bowl of high-protein cereal at MagicSpoon.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL to save five dollars off.

Tim speaks with Polk Award winning author Julie K. Brown about the recent batch of documents released regarding the Epstein case as well as her book 'Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story’. Julie K Brown is an investigative reporter for the Miami Herald. Buy Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story here: https://www.amazon.com/Perversion-Justice-Jeffrey-Epstein-Story/dp/006300058X Want to listen without ads? 

No Labels Is Big Mad, Chris Christie is good and Nikki Haley is toast. JVL and Sarah are giving you a free sneak peek at this week's Secret Podcast. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/its-not-that-hard-nikki

In this second edition of "George Conway Explains it All," Sarah Longwell and George discuss the possibility of Donald Trump going to jail and the likelihood of such a glorious outcome coming to fruition.

The Iowa caucus, and potentially the end to the entire 2024 primary season, is almost here. What are the campaigns doing in the final days? Plus, Donald Trump says he wants the economy to crash while Joe Biden is president. He also claims a president has complete immunity from all crimes. Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.

George Conway joins Sarah Longwell in this special edition of The Next Level to give his legal expertise on how SCOTUS will approach states kicking Donald Trump off the 2024 ballot.

NYT bestselling author Josh Green joins Tim to discuss his new book, The Rebels: Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and the Struggle for a New American Politics.  They go over Josh's hypothesis as to why a progressive didn't get the Democratic nomination in 2020, how the movement pushed Biden's agenda to the left, what the future holds for the party after Trump and Biden are gone, and why populism on the right has taken over the GOP in a way it hasn't for Democrats.  Pre-order Josh's book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586025/the-rebels-by-joshua-green/

The media is killing it right now. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/its-not-that-hard-nikki

The gang is back to kick off 2024 by delving into the Iowa primary, where GOP primary voters seem poised to give aspiring dictator Donald Trump a landslide victory. Plus, the gang has differing thoughts on the president of Harvard University stepping down, as well as whether Nikki Haley has any shot of becoming Trump's VP. Buy tickets to our live show, AN EVENING WITH THE BULWARK, in San Francisco on January 18th here: https://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/2024-01-18/election-2024-evening-bulwark

On the last Secret Podcast of 2023, Sarah and Tim talk Nikki Haley failing to mention slavery when asked about the cause of the Civil War. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/its-not-that-hard-nikki

The gang break down their predictions for 2024, including how the GOP primary will end, who will be Trump's VP pick, and the craziest development that could happen between now and election day.

On this special Saturday edition of TNL Sunday, Steven Van Zandt of the E Street Band joins Tim and JVL to cover everything from politics and apartheid to the '80s, the politics of the 2020s, and his ever evolving career.  Get the scoop on his music journey, genre-blending tricks, and thoughts on race in the industry. Plus, he spills the beans on acting, 'The Sopranos,' and how TV shows mix with his tunes. Don't miss the stories and laughs in this killer interview!"

Least bad options are the only options we've got. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/what-if-good-things-happen

Colorado's state Supreme Court has ruled Donald Trump cannot appear on the ballot in 2024. The gang discusses whether the ruling does more harm than good as America enters it's next presidential year.  Plus, the gang talks Trump's recent comments on immigration, the Senate sex scandal, and the new poll from The New York Times that bodes better for President Biden than other recent indicators. Tim also breaks down his experience as Turning Point USA's annual conference, so it's a jam-packed show today! Go to HelloFresh.com/thenextlevelfree and use code thenextlevelfree for FREE breakfast for life! One breakfast item per box while subscription is active.

Terrell Starr joins Tim to discuss being a Black reporter in Ukraine, and how that impacts the way he views the Russian invasion of the country. He also delves into the current mentality of Ukrainian citizens towards the defense effort, as well as how they view the stalemate in the United States over additional funds its ally. Terrell's YouTube channel, Black Diplomats official, can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/@BlackDiplomatsOfficial/videos Subscribe to Terrell's newsletter here: https://substack.com/@terrellstarr (First article publishes next week. If you'd like to donate to some Ukrainian organizations Terrell recommends, click on the links below: Nareshti Help Fund: https://nareshti.com. PAYPAL info: nareshti.help@gmail.com (In the note say, "Terrell Starr sent me your way.") Yahidne Mission, which helps to rebuild homes in formerly occupied cities:  https://heylink.me/Yahidne_mission/ Tatyana Kagitina, who supports Ukrainian soldiers who need winter gear, can be reached by email at tkagitina@gmail.com. (In the note say, "Terrell Starr sent me your way.") Follow Terrell on social media with links below. Twitter: https://twitter.com/terrelljstarr IG: https://www.instagram.com/terrelljstarr?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Threads: terrelljstarr@threads.net

An else-worlds episode. Become a Bulwark+ member to listen to the full episode: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/what-if-good-things-happen

The future of the GOP disgustingly hurtles towards Sen. J.D. Vance's isolationist vision, abandoning allies like Ukraine in the process.  Plus, the Texas Supreme Court refuses to let a woman get an abortion, despite risks to her health. And the GOP's impeachment inquiry into President Biden can't even state the impeachable crime their investigating. Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.

The New York Times bestselling author David Grann ("The Lost City of Z") joins Tim and JVL to discuss his time covering Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, and how the choice of Gov. Sarah Palin paved the way for the GOP's embrace of Donald Trump. Plus, David discusses his latest book, "The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder," as well as "Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI," adapted to film this year by director Martin Scorsese. Buy David's books here: https://www.amazon.com/stores/David-Grann/author/B001YDEZJO?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Plus: Sarah has to save America. Again. Listen to the full episode by becoming a Bulwark+ subscriber here: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/giving-permission

The gang discuss Speaker Mike Johnson blurring the faces of Jan. 6 insurrectionists to protect them from the DOJ, while Rep. James Comer makes the GOP impeachment inquiry about a truck President Joe Biden bought his son. Plus, there's a GOP debate tonight! Is there a reason to watch? And young voters are still enthused about voting, but what about Muslim Americans? This episode is sponsored by Zbiotics. Go to zbiotics.com/nextlevel to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/thenextlevel today to get 10% off your first month.

The New York Times best selling author Clint Smith joins Tim to discuss race and its history in the United States, including the false narratives many Americans have about it. They also discuss his book, "How the Word Is Passed: A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America," and what he hopes its readers take from it.

Also: DeSantis vs. Newsom.

The gang reacts to the first reveals from Liz Cheney's new book, including some embarrassing Kevin McCarthy quotes. Meanwhile, New Hampshire governor and Republican moderate, Chris Sununu, says he'll vote for Donald Trump over Joe Biden if it comes down to it. But will his endorsement of Nikki Haley mean anything? And is Mark Cuban running for president? Go to zbiotics.com/nextlevel to get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout. Go to HelloFresh.com/thenextlevelfree and use code thenextlevelfree for FREE breakfast for life! One breakfast item per box while subscription is active.

The gang discusses former Rep. Peter Meijer, who voted to impeach Donald Trump over January 6, and his insane justification as to why he will vote for Trump over Joe Biden. Plus, DeSantis' campaign is starting to play the blame game, while Nikki Haley's shows (a little) signs of life.

Professor Scott Galloway, host of the "Pivot" podcast, joins Tim to discuss the future of artificial intelligence, ungrateful tech leaders like Elon Musk, education inequality, and his transition into a media personality.

Tim debriefs his interview with Kari Lake, who's running to be the Senate of Arizona while attempting to put some of her craziest positions behind her.  Plus, a new column gives Biden advice on how to turn his campaign around, so the gang give their own unsolicited opinions. And Donald Trump's plans for his second term are chilling, but they may be key to his defeat.  Sonny Bunch joins Tim and Sarah to discuss all this and more!  Politico column: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/13/biden-2024-reelection-challenges-strategy-00126776 Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/eJ4hmFKgbbM

For a special Veteran's Day weekend TNL Sunday, Tim interviews CNN's Brianna Keilar, whose husband is a Green Beret. They discuss what it's like to be in a military family, the current partisan political divides within the institution, and much more. Plus, Brianna talks about what it's like to cover Donald Trump post-presidency and how she decides what stories about the aspiring authoritarian to cover. Check out Brianna's column, Home Front, here: https://www.cnn.com/politics/homefront

And the Republican debate.

The gang reacts to Democratic wins in last night's elections, like the pro-choice issue in Ohio and Dems taking over Virginia's state legislature; the latter effectively kills Republican donors' 2024 presidential hopes for Gov. Glenn Youngkin.  Plus, Gov. Kim Reynolds of Iowa endorses Ron DeSantis to little coverage, Rep. Peter Meijer, who voted to impeach Donald Trump, says he'll vote for whoever the GOP nominee is after launching a Senate campaign, and the NYT releases a downright terrifying general election poll.  And oh yeah, there's a debate tonight! Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/Utc33WA6IIg

Tim interviews Walter Isaacson at The Bulwark's live event in New Orleans. Listen to the two discuss Walter's latest book, Elon Musk, and what it was like for the author to interact with the business magnate as he was writing the biography. This event took place on October 25, 2023.

The no-shot and the long-shot.

A new poll shows newly Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema trailing both Republican Kari Lake and Democratic Rep. Ruben Gallego in Arizona's 2024 Senate race. She also thinks adults celebrating Halloween is creepy? Plus, the Washington Examiner's cover art depicts a radical Democratic Party that couldn't be farther from the truth, Rep. Dean Phillips' campaign against Biden is run by a grifter, and Kentucky's Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear is a model for how to win over Trump voters. Get tickets to The Bulwark's DC show on NOVEMBER 16 at https://www.thebulwark.com/events. This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh. Go to HelloFresh.com/50thenextlevel and use code 50thenextlevel for 50% off plus free shipping! Watch the gang record this episode on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/CYKLzwERU-4

Actor and comedian Tom Arnold joins Tim to discuss his journey from comedy into anti-Trump politics. He also delves into his background growing up in a white working class family, as well his split from Roseanne Barr and her embrace of right-wing conspiracies. Plus some good old fashioned GOP-bashing for fun! And at the top of the show, Tim gives his reaction to Democratic Rep. Dean Phillips launching a presidential primary campaign against President Joe Biden. Note: This episode was taped on October 16, 2023, prior to Rep. Mike Johnson becoming Speaker of the House. Watch Tim interview Tom on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/POmADsZYOYY

The new speaker and the new presidential candidate.

The GOP’s next speaker-designate is MAGA Rep. Mike Johnson, a major player in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election; and he may just land the job! Plus, Jenna Ellis pleads guilty to felony charges, and the right tries to turn a White House faux pas on antisemitism into Biden’s “both sides” moment. A. B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah to discuss! This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/thenextlevel and get on your way to being your best self.

Democratic Rep. Dan Goldman joins Tim to talk the mayhem in the House and what liberals would be willing to negotiate with Republicans to elect a Speaker. He also details his evacuation from Israel after Hamas' terrorist attacks and gives his opinion on the left-wing of his party outspoken support for Palestinians.

Jim Jordan and Joe Biden speak to America.

The disfunction on The Hill continues with Jim Jordan the latest GOP hopeful to get rejected for the Speakership by his own party. What will finally make them work with Democrats to re-open the government? Plus, Nancy Mace's weirdness could stem from a desire to be Trump's VP, DeSantis and Haley spar over U.S. policy towards refugees (and the difference between citizens and terrorists), and JVL and Tim debate who is better: Taylor Swift or Beyonce. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/nextlevel and get on your way to being your best self. Watch the gang record this episode on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/DlPRYN-EoxM

Columnist Blake Flayton speaks with Tim from Tel Aviv, Israel amidst the aftermath of Hamas’ terrorist attacks. Listen to his perspective on the politics both in Israel and abroad, as well as his opinion on why thing are forever changed in the region. Watch Tim interview Blake on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/gUsWMImJyVI

What comes after Scalise.

The gang talk to devastating attacks on Israel by Hamas, as well as the terrible reactions by both the left and the right. Except, of course, from President Joe Biden, who perhaps gave his best speech in office yet.  Plus, the race between Reps. Steve Scalise and Jim Jordan exemplifies the division and dysfunction in the the House GOP, and Sarah details her run in with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/sthzfSDjzQ8

Tim sits down with former editor-in-chief of "Salon" Joan Walsh. Previously on opposite sides of political discourse, the two political pundits discuss how politics really is a horseshoe, with the radicals at both ends of the spectrum having a lot more in common than they think.  Plus, Joan talks about her new book, "Corporate Bullsh*t: Exposing the Lies and Half-Truths That Protect Profit, Power, and Wealth in America," which leads to some fun, respectful debate with Tim.  Buy Joan's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Bullsh-Exposing-Half-Truths-Protect/dp/1620977516/ref=sr_1_1?crid=194VN2D6HJJDE&keywords=joan+walsh&qid=1696618530&sprefix=joan+walsh%2Caps%2C67&sr=8-1 Watch Tim interview Joan on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/nudGe94xjYU

Tim is in for Sarah and he and JVL talk about the economy, unemployment numbers, and the relationship between voter sentiment and reality.

The GOP majority in the House is on fire as Kevin McCarthy is ousted. But will a bigger threat in the form of Jim Jordan replace him? A.B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah to discuss! Plus, a judge puts a gag order on Donald Trump as he attends his trial for fraud charges, and Tim asks JVL and A.B. for parenting advice when it comes to kids in sports! Watch the gang record this podcast on The Bulwark's official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/JfSnp88wX9w

Actor and author Henry Winkler (Happy Days, Barry) joins Tim and Sarah to talk the evolution of his Hollywood career, dealing with dyslexia, artificial intelligence, the SAG-AFTRA strike and more!  Buy Henry's children's book, "Detective Duck," here: https://www.amazon.com/Detective-Duck-Case-Strange-Splash/dp/1419755137

Don't worry, folks, Glenn Youngkin is here to save the GOP! The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret.

The gang dive into what the non-Trump candidates need to do in the second debate tonight ... and debate amongst themselves if it even matters.  Plus, Donald Trump says Gen. Mark Milley should be put to death and Biden strikes with UAW union members, even though the Democratic party's green energy policies complicate his relationship with them.

Gretchen Carlson sits down with Tim to discuss the fight against sexual harassment, age discrimination, her courage in speaking out against Fox and Roger Ailes, and the advice she has for young girls as they enter a potentially dangerous workplace environment. Plus, Sarah joins Tim at the top to discuss Cassidy Hutchinson’s accusations against Rudy Guiliani. Learn more about Life Our Voices, Gretchen's nonprofit organization, here: https://liftourvoices.org/

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Rep. Lauren Boebert fooled around and found out, while Sen. John Fetterman's opinion on the Senate dress code riles DC. It's a doozy of an episode with Sarah vs. Tim on proper etiquette in a theater and the Senate.  Plus, Speaker Kevin McCarthy is leading his majority straight for a government shutdown they could very well be blamed for, and Donald Trump casts aside the pro-life movement without consequence.

Fellow never-Trump Republican Brad Thor joins Tim this Sunday to talk his new thriller novel, "Dead Fall." They also discuss the decline of the GOP away from freedom and towards populism, the horror that would be a a second Trump presidency, and President Biden's handling of the crisis in Ukraine. Buy Brad's new book here: https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Fall-Thriller-Scot-Harvath-ebook/dp/B0BHTNRQQQ

Sarah and JVL talk about the revelations from the upcoming Romney biography. And the weirdness of Republicans being “pro-working man” and also anti-union.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy announces the House will start an impeachment inquiry without a vote and without evidence. But his right-wing critics, such as MAGA troll Matt Gaetz, still aren't satisfied.  Plus, the Democratic governor of New Mexico's temporary ban on guns draws bipartisan backlash for being unconstitutional, while some Texas counties are creating legal challenges to people traveling out of state to get an abortion.

Andrew Zimmern, former host of Bizarre Foods, joins Tim to discuss how food relates to immigration and climate, his journey to sobriety, growing up with two gay dads, and the future of alternative meat. Not a foodie? Don't worry, we promise there's lots of political analysis to whet your appetite! ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 4. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ

Sarah and JVL drop the news that TNL is taking over CSPAN on Saturday morning. They talk about Nikki Haley’s second look. America’s SpaceX problem. And the secret history of “Gay Obama.” It’s total, nonstop action.   Don’t miss Sarah, Tim, and JVL on C-SPAN on Saturday morning at 9am in the East. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret.

How concerned voters are toward Joe Biden's old age might be the biggest determining factor to whether he beats Donald Trump in 2024; and Tim got into it with FiveThirtyEight founder Nate Silver over how much the liberal media is covering it.  Plus, the GOP is trying to decide whether to shutdown the government or impeach Biden, and Elon Musk claims the Anti-Defamation League is the reason X/Twitter's profits are so low. ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 4. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ

You should be alarmed. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret. NOTE: There is no Sunday show interview this week because of Labor Day weekend. They will return next week!

One week after the first GOP debate, nothing has changed and Trump is still dominant. Plus, conservative pundits now say Trump will get more Black votes because he has a mugshot, and DeSantis heads to Florida to deal with two tragic events. Sonny Bunch subs in for Sarah to discuss! View the Biden and DeSantis picture here: https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/il47u4/picture266923026/alternates/FREE_1140/AP22278716941078.jpg ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level’s YouTube page will be folded in to the main Bulwark channel starting October 6. Subscribe to watch the gang record each episode going forward here: https://www.youtube.com/@bulwarkmedia

Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez pulled off a surprise win against Republican Joe Kent in the 2022 midterms, and since entering Congress has made a name for herself as a truly moderate Democrat. Tim asks her about progressives calling her a "Kyrsten Sinema wannabe" for her vote against student loan forgiveness, as well as the Democratic Party's struggles with working class, rural voters, and the congresswoman's prior career in auto repair. Watch Tim interview Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez here: https://youtu.be/ML2qd-ik3hA

Sarah and JVL catch up on the debate—about Nikki and Ron and Vivek. And about Trump’s mugshot. Warning: Sarah’s audio is a little wonky. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret.

Tim and JVL went live with Tom Nichols and Semafor's Ben Smith on The Bulwark's YouTube channel last night immediately after the first GOP debate. Listen to their first take reactions right after closing arguments ended! Watch the recording and subscribe to the channel to stay up to date on future livestreams here: https://youtube.com/live/MZep4APpcR4?feature=share

The gang talks the stakes for the GOP presidential candidates not named Donald Trump who qualified for the first primary debate on Fox News. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://youtu.be/V93uXEDayto

Robbie Kaplan, the lawyer who represented E. Jean Carroll in her civil suit against Donald Trump, joins Tim to discuss her win against the former president for sexual abuse. She also gives her opinion on the current indictments against Trump, including which one could go to trial before the 2024 election, and her Supreme Court case that helped pave the way for marriage equality. Watch Tim interview Robbie on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/atasEPqnzA4

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The gang plays a little game: What are the odds Trump a) Becomes president, b) Goes to jail, or c) Neither? Let us know what you think the odds are in the comments! Plus, another ignorant country song storms the charts, and Trump apparently DM'ed a lot of people on the app formerly known as Twitter. Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/ChWTYpojUsY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ever wonder how homelessness has gotten so bad in America? And why there appears to be no successful efforts to solve it? The Atlantic's Jerusalem Demsas joins Tim and JVL to answer every question they have about this massive problem. It's a truly in-depth discussion you won't want to miss! Watch the Tim and JVL interview Jerusalem on our official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/qCsd1O4-hdI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the politics of Joe Biden’s Hunter problem and the game theory on whether or not Ron DeSantis should stay in the race. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim recounts his trip to Iowa to watch GOP presidential candidates make their weak bids for the nomination over Trump, Including Ron DeSantis, who just replaced his campaign manager. And the so-called "pro-women's sports integrity" conservatives are relishing the U.S. women's soccer team getting knock out of the World Cup.  Plus, Ohio shuts down GOP attempts to make constitutional amendments (abortion rights) harder, and Sarah gives updates on what her focus groups think of "on the rise" Tim Scott. Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/4HnSr4lg1i0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Country artist Amanda Shires joins Tim to discuss Nashville politics, abortion (including her life threatening ectopic pregnancy), being a liberal singer in a conservative genre, starting the all-female country group The Highwomen and more! Plus, Tim gives his thoughts on the latest arraignment of former president Donald Trump. Find Amanda's tour dates here: https://amandashiresmusic.com/ Loving You: https://atorecords-ffm.com/lovingyou Highwomen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-6nklMMbM Summertime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aW1a4fM8X0 Watch Tim interview Amanda on our Youtube channel here: https://youtu.be/txZcSgqPLWk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the latest arraignment. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's the latest indictment of former President Donald Trump, this time on the most dangerous charges yet: 2020 election interference. What will this mean for the 2024 race? What are the worst defenses of Trump's actions? Will Trump be put on trial during the general election? The gang breaks down all of this and more on today's The Next Level! Watch the gang record this video on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/wsy1J7RSybY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ron Filipkowski joins Tim to talk his journey from lawyer to never-Trump political commentator. Together, they analyze the MAGA transformation of the party they once called home, lambast Ron DeSantis' attempts to peel off Trump supporters, and explain how he balances his day job with his constant tweets on conservative crazies. Watch Tim interview Ron here: https://youtu.be/0dLxCE86VuQ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about Jack Smith’s superseding indictment, Hunter Biden not getting pardoned, Sarah’s new campaign, and Barbenheimer. It’s a pretty good show this week. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DeSantis attempts to reboot his campaign with by firing a third of his staff, one of whom apparently made videos with Nazi symbolism. Plus, Kevin McCarthy teases an impeachment inquiry of President Biden, progressives turn on AOC, and a bizarre conservative ad makes it way online. Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/UIQ-eZtkUxM For a podcast without talks-too-much Tim Miller, subscribe to Bulwark+ and get The Secret Podcast with Sarah and JVL. Here's a link to get 30-days FREE to try it out: thebulwark.com/secret. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben McKenzie (The O.C., Gotham) joins Tim and JVL to talk his new book, "Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud." They discuss his investigation into cryptocurrency during the COVID-19 pandemic, pushback from supporters of crypto, finding a fulfilling mission later in life, and his lifelong vendetta with Chad Michael Murray! Plus, Tim and JVL talk about the impact of Trump’s trial and potential conviction on the presidential race. You can purchase Ben's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Money-Cryptocurrency-Casino-Capitalism/dp/1419766392 Watch Tim and JVL interview Ben on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAaIN1KkNbk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL dig into Ron DeSantis’s awful campaign reset and then try to figure out just what the No Labels people are thinking. Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trump and DeSantis had major interviews last night, and both were consumed by the former's third indictment yet. Trump doesn't even need to defend himself with DeSantis repeating all his talking points! Plus, Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin and former Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman tease with forming a "unity" ticket doomed to fail and put Trump back in the White House. And Mike Pence might not even qualify for the first GOP primary debate, proving he really is just a glutton for punishment. DeSantis' South Carolina exchange: https://twitter.com/GiancarloSopo/status/1681083703760506881 Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGfpg5y8SM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jen Psaki joins Tim and Sarah this week to talk what Biden needs to do to win in 2024, whether his age is an issue, her time in the White House, and the transition to hosting her own TV show on MSNBC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Secret Podcast Preview: The weird disconnect between the vibes the actual real state of the economy. The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at TheBulwark.com/secret Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The key whistleblower the GOP has been touting as a smoking gun against President Biden, along with his son Hunter, has been charged with failing to register as a foreign asset for China. And Tucker Carlson plans to host a forum without Trump. Will it do anything to save DeSantis' floundering campaign? Plus, what do Trump 2016-Biden 2020 voters think of the state of the country? Will they be Trump 2024 voters soon? Sarah gives some Focus Group insight to the gang. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkpFXXUSQAk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hot comedian on the rise Alex Edelman joins Tim to discuss his show, Just for Us, and its debut on Broadway, alongside Judaism, white nationalism, comedy itself, and why he's the reverse of JD Vance. Plus, Tim and JVL discuss Hunter Biden's secret child in Arkansas, and what President Joe Biden should do, both politically and morally. Just for Us plays at the Hudson Theatre on Broadway until August 19th. Watch Tim interview Alex here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgSs916Utk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Secret Show is exclusively for Bulwark+ members. To listen to the rest of this show and gain access to all Bulwark+ member benefits (newsletters, podcasts and more!) sign up today at https://thebulwark.com/secret Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah is back this week to talk all things SCOTUS, as the gang breaks down this year's rulings and what they mean for the country. Plus, Ron DeSantis' campaign tries to out flank Trump to the right by arguing he's a bigger homophobe. And is Vivek Ramaswamy in a race for distant second against him? Watch the gang record this episode on TNL's official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCs3ge_vVc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim sits down with sportswriter and ESPN Daily host Pablo S. Torre to discuss how sports, the last unifying cultural touchstone in America, has started to be corrupted by polarization. They get into the cringy identity politics of both the left and the right when it comes to athletics, along with some NBA commentary and Denver Nuggets debate! Plus, Tim breaks down his thoughts on SCOTUS ruling against Harvard’s and UNC’s affirmative action policies. Watch Tim interview Pablo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_x50CSNQRw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Kristol sits in for Sarah today and we talked about a lot. What the 2024 election looks like from Europe; the war in Ukraine; Mike Pence; the Republican elites; No Labels; and even some Casablanca. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim and JVL sat down with Lt Col. Alexander Vindman to breakdown the almost civil war in Russia and what it could mean for Vladimir Putin down the line. Check out The Bulwark's YouTube channel to watch the full conversation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVMS2rgaA0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Trump might not be the strongest candidate in 2024, but immediately walks it back as loyalists rage against him, and DeSantis' poll numbers are pathetic. Plus, Joe Perticone joins Tim and JVL to discuss reporting on the Hill and breakdown new developments with normie Republicans, the Freedom Caucus, and the Squad. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLVhcTZ0CU Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this week's TNL Sunday, Tim and JVL interview Reid Hoffman, a founding member of OpenAI, aka the creators of ChatGPT. Together they discuss how the future of humanity could unfold as artificial intelligence becomes more and more advanced. They also talk Elon Musk's venture into politics and the possible reason why he made such a choice. Plus, Tim and JVL breakdown good Republican Will Hurd becoming the latest not-Trump candidate to enter the 2024 GOP primary. Watch Tim and JVL interview Reid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IB2jstIhk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the latest 2 percent candidate and the Pew survey on what Democrats and Republicans really want. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donald Trump and Hunter Biden both admit they broke the law, but under very different circumstances. Plus, the second part of Bret Baier's interview with Trump aired last night, and he really doesn't understand the laws he's proposing. And what's up with RFK Jr.'s poll numbers? Amanda Carpenter joins Tim and JVL to discuss and share some special news! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sen. Tammy Baldwin joins Tim and Sarah to breakdown her lifetime of firsts as an openly gay politician, her coming out story in the 80s, the art of being both progressive and bipartisan, and an assessment of Wisconsin politics heading into 2024. Plus, Tim and Sarah dissect JVL’s Triad … without him present! Watch Tim and Sarah interview Sen. Baldwin here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEitt5qu0sw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A report from the front line of the GOP primary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donald Trump has been arrested for the second time this year, and GOP voters somehow think he's the most electable of all Republican candidates. Plus, Fox News calls Biden a "Wannabe Dictator" and Tim takes a victory lap with the Denver Nuggets' championship win. Sonny Bunch fills in for Sarah on this week's show! Watch the gang record this episode on our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSjuNl6Pu4Q Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the lead up to Father’s Day, author and podcast host Ryan Holiday joins Tim and JVL to talk the rewards and tribulations of being a dad. Ryan also talks to Tim about their similar experiences setting aside their less than moral professional careers to pursue more rewarding livelihoods. Plus, Tim and JVL discuss the second indictment of Trump and the damning evidence against him. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the big indictment. What it means for the Republican primary. How the Triangle of Doom is operating. And whether there’s any way out of this thing. The Secret pod is almost always locked for Bulwark+ members but this week we’re making the entire thing available to everyone, because it’s an important moment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sonny joins JVL and Sarah to talk the ouster of Chris Licht from CNN after a devastating profile by Tim Alberta. Plus, Chris Christie and Mike Pence official enter the 2024 primary, the Saudis take over pro-golf, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming more mainstream, alienating her from the other fringe members of her party. Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXgljzlXOIE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On a special Pride edition of TNL Sunday, Chasten Buttigieg joins Tim to discuss his new book, Josh Hawley's "Manhood," Ted Cruz's Uganda comments, and being a new parent while under the spotlight. Watch Tim interview Chasten here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426Tjzws4kI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL go to a perplexing place trying to figure out if the (very valuable) short-term good Kevin McCarthy has done regarding governing outweighs the long-term danger of normalizing white nationalists, insurrectionists, and other assorted crazies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Republicans and President Joe Biden worked out a debt ceiling deal where Democrats gave major concessions ... and yet Speaker Kevin McCarthy is still being accused of caving to the libs. The gang also debates who's more MAGA: Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump? Plus, Chris Christie appears ready to launch another presidential campaign and Tara Reade moves to Russia. Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzFsrGpTW4E Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bradley Whitford (The West Wing, Transparent) joins the Sunday show to talk The West Wing, criticisms of the show's idealistic politics, and his own evolution into an advocate for liberal causes and much more! Plus, Tim and JVL breakdown DeSantis' attempts to shake off the "establishment" label after his presidential campaign launch. Watch Tim and JVL interview Bradley here: https://youtu.be/6hbDyqu8qOo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the DeSantis launch, his January 6 pardon weasel words, and the norming of soft-authoritarianism. To get the full episode—and The Secret Podcast every week—join Bulwark+. Go to: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's all about Ron DeSantis and his upcoming announcement on Twitter Spaces tonight. What does the gang think of the move to launch his campaign with Elon Musk? Plus, a riff on Tim Scott's inconsequential run for president and a rant on Nate Silver's Never Trumper critiques. And tune in tonight on YouTube to watch all your favorite Bulwark personalities react to DeSantis' announcement live! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPz-zmDUiuw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL are joined by Molly Jong-Fast as part of The Bulwark's live event in NYC! Tune in to hear several "Are we going to fight?" moments while discussing Donald Trump's continuous popularity with Republicans, the cruelty of the latest allegations against Rudy Giuliani, and basically ever current and potential 2024 presidential contender. It's a wild show that you won't want to miss! Subscribe to The Next Level's YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_lAiayRbLUnTfPebOw-44g Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah, Tim and JVL went live yesterday during their recording to talk Dem wins in traditionally Republican cities, DeSantis' Iowa trip and his allied PAC walking back criticism of Trump, and the idea that Mike Pence might actually jump into the 2024 race. Plus, the gang takes questions from the audience! The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast. Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18. For tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Director, writer and producer David Mandel (Veep, Seinfeld) sits down with Tim to discuss his new HBO miniseries White House Plumbers and his fascination with the behind the scenes of Washington. SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JVL sits down with Will Saletan to talk about his book on The Corruption of Lindsey Graham. It’s a *much* more free-flowing and philosophical discussion than I’d planned. If you’re game for a journey, you might like it. SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donald Trump is found guilty of sexually assaulting E Jean Carroll, but no one doubts he's still on a path to the top of the Republican ticket in 2024. The GOP is also sticking by Rep. George Santos after he was indicted by a grand jury on 13 criminal charges. They really know how to pick some good ones! Plus, what do our hosts think of President Joe Biden and Speaker Kevin McCarthy's standoff over the debt limit? And Tucker Carlson announces his return to spewing propaganda on Twitter, while RFK Jr. does surprisingly well in Democratic polls. SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast. Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18. For tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim sits down with Larry Wilmore to talk his career as a comedian, the Democratic party, race in America, and Vice President Kamala Harris on this week’s Sunday show. Plus, Tim and JVL discuss the killing of a homeless black man in New York City that has, once again, divided the country along party lines. The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast.  Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18.  For tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today Bill Kristol is in for Sarah and he and JVL talk about CNN’s Trump town hall, the latest Ginni Thomas reporting, and the bizarre reaction of Conservatism Inc. to the ongoing Clarence Thomas story. To get the full episode—and The Secret Podcast every week—join Bulwark+. Go to: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The OG trio is back this week to talk the latest poll of GOP primary voters. Spoiler alert: fighting “wokeness” matters, helping Ukraine does not. Plus, Ron DeSantis is imploding before our very eyes, while Trump’s campaign is actually running a coherent operation. Is a repeat of 2020 truly inevitable? And in Texas, the tragic murder of a family gets drawn into immigration politics, while Rep. Colin puts his hat in the ring to challenge Cruz for the Senate. Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgm6vZqPjqA The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast. Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18. For tickets go to TheBulwark.com/events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rep. Abigail Spanberger, a favorite of Never Trumpers everywhere, joins Tim this week to talk appealing to the middle, the battle of the debt ceiling, her career in the CIA (as much as she's allowed to say), what it's like being a mom while in Congress and much more! Note: This episode was recorded on April 24, 2023. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about Montana Republicans kicking a trans Democrat out of the chamber, the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, Nikki Haley’s death pool, DeSantis in Israel, Trump and debates. And then we close out with the scourge of participation trophies. To get the full episode—and The Secret Podcast every week—join Bulwark+. Go to: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Both Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon have been kicked to the curb by their employers, leaving us political pundits to wonder what their next move means, and what the future holds for Fox and CNN, respectively. Plus, Ron DeSantis keeps sinking in the polls, while the primary field against Trump has almost evaporated. Will DeSantis even run? And is he trying to match Trump’s crazy by making it easier to enforce the death penalty? Amanda Carpenter subs in for Sarah to discuss! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abraham Josephine Riesman, author of The New York Times bestselling book, Ringmaster, joins Tim and JVL to talk WWE wrestling and the latest attacks on trans Americans from the right. Plus, Tim and JVL talk the $5 million Mike Lindell has the pay for his disproven election fraud claims. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0u9_tuy9V4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about Biden’s coming reelection announcement and DeSantis’s latest polling drop. Also: If Trump becomes the Republican nominee and you could wave a wand and have any person be the Democratic nominee, who would you pick? To get the full episode—and The Secret Podcast every week—join Bulwark+: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Fox settled with Dominion Voting Systems for $787.5 million, at the expense of getting Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham to testify publicly. Was this the best or worst case scenario? Plus, with his stock in the 2024 presidential horse race sinking, Ron DeSantis picks back up his fight with Disney, threatening to build a jail next to Disney World. Anything beats taking on Trump directly, right? And Democrats are pressuring Sen. Dianne Feinstein to retire as her absence prevent President Biden from confirming judges. Is it time for all these octogenarians to finally give up their seats? Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftyhv2AIoEk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tennessee House Rep. Gloria Johnson joins Tim to talk the insanity that's happened in her state's legislature over the past couple of weeks. She details why she and her Democratic colleagues, Reps. Justin J. Pearson and Justin Jones, decided to take action after another school shooting in Nashville. Along with reacting to the racism her Republican peers and the conservative media have shown in the aftermath, Rep. Johnson also gets into the dangerous legislation proposed by the GOP in her state, which will have serious consequences for abortion access and freedom of expression. Watch Tim and Rep. Johnson record this episode live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpywzrLd_Z0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about MAGA’s new attack on the Great Republican Hope. And about the Heritage Foundation’s strange new respect for socialism. And more! Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

UPDATE: Rep. Tim Scott revealed he was no longer a virgin in 2012, according to the Daily Mail. Donald Trump joined Tucker Carlson last night to lavish praise on genocidal Chinese President Xi Jinping, among other authoritarian world leaders. Plus, law and order Texas Gov. Greg Abbott plans to pardon a convicted murderer and Tim Scott launches his presidential campaign, while DeSantis waits in the corner and passes dangerous new immigration laws. Show Notes "The Big Break" by Ben Terris: https://www.twelvebooks.com/titles/ben-terris/the-big-break/9781538708057/ Watch the gang record the episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2OdxWq_ZdI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Frank Bruni, veteran opinion writer for The New York Times, joins Tim and JVL on this week's Sunday show to talk Trumps indictment, his esteemed career, which includes covering the President George W. Bush's administration, the future of journalism, modern day challenges to free speech, and much more! Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XXMZkdu-M0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about the potential for Vivek Ramaswamy to fill the Ron Paul lane and how that could hurt DeSantis. And also Clarence Thomas and the burden of having close personal friends who just happen to be billionaires. Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trump's (first) indictment has finally arrived and the GOP is more (publicly) united behind him than ever before. The MAGA base demands loyalty, and even the so-called normies are falling in line. The gang also breaks down Democrats' big win in Wisconsin yesterday and if it's a bad sign for Ron DeSantis. Plus, everyone gives their take on the NCAA women's national championship tournament, as well as how much racism and misogyny was behind the media storm surrounding the Angel Reese. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0caff1USZzA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pulitzer Prize-winning author Junot Diaz joins the Sunday show to talk his career and the current political climate in America. They also get into his experience with cancel culture, and if it changed his view of the world. Plus, Tim and Sarah give their thoughts what the Trump indictment means for his re-election campaign. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2dK1BEWqg Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL go deep on the day everyone knew would eventually get here. Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the wake of the latest mass shooting in Nashville, the gang breaks down where the country stands when it comes to protecting our children from gun violence. They discuss whether the Republican Party has given up attempting to find an alternative solution to gun control, as well as the culture war fallout from the potential gender identity of the shooter. Plus, Donald Trump's insane rally in Waco, Texas shows how insane he is, but also what a force he continues to be. Can Ron DeSantis continue to sidestep a full on confrontation with the Donfather? Chris Christie seems like he maybe be up for that fight, but not all the hosts are convinced he's actually turned a corner. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The spectacular Jane Lynch (Glee, Party Down) joins Tim and Sarah this week, and turns out she's a huge fan of Never Trumpers! They discuss Donald Trump's indictment, Hollywood, cancel culture, and of course, gay stuff. If you've ever wanted to know if Sue Sylvester would support Trump or Ron DeSantis, you won't want to miss this episode! Plus, Tim and Sarah give their updated thoughts on Florida’s escalation of its “Don’t Say Gay Bill.” Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5vWgbWgRQ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah and JVL talk about Ron DeSantis’s not-really-a-pivot on Ukraine, what it says about his campaign, and what we’re learning about him as a political commodity. Also: Why do the anti-antis hate the Never Trumpers above all others? Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donald Trump's indictment seems inevitable, but how long it will take before an arrest actually happens is anyone's guess. Regardless, Ron DeSantis has taken his first slight swing at his would-be rival, but he's just using Marco Rubio's failed 2016 playbook. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Fi-ikGsBw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim and JVL welcome Rep. Colin Allred to the Sunday show to discuss Rep. Jim Jordan’s bogus Weaponization of the Federal Government committee, his potential challenge to Sen. Ted Cruz, and his journey to the Tennessee Titans as an undrafted football player. Plus, how do you pronounce DeSantis? Tim and JVL debate, as even Meatball Ron doesn’t seem to know. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ3DcU3ROds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Need an extra dose of JVL and Sarah in your week? Take a listen to this clip from today's The Secret Podcast and subscribe to Bulwark+ to hear new episodes every Friday! Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DeSantis says Ukraine's security is not a priority for the U.S., and (some) GOP politicians are pushing back. How long will it last? And why doesn't Trump get the same criticisms? Plus, Fox News blames Silicon Valley Bank's "wokeness" for it failure, and the TNL hosts have some choice words for them. Watch the gang record this episode live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcPGCSZa44g Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A new adventure begins for the TNL gang with our new Sunday show! Catch Tim and either JVL or Sarah interview all sorts of guests every Sunday night!The show welcomes actor Adam Brody (The OC, Fleishman Is in Trouble) to discuss his entry into political discourse, his career in Hollywood, and his new movie "Shazam! Fury of the Gods," in theaters March 17th!Watch the gang record this episode here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zETbAN_KEMk  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Need an extra dose of JVL and Sarah in your week? Take a listen to this clip from today's The Secret Podcast and subscribe to Bulwark+ to hear new episodes every Friday! Check out all The Secret Podcast episodes here: https://thesecretpodcast.thebulwark.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanda Carpenter subs in for Sarah to help the boys chastise Tucker Carlson, Kevin McCarthy, Elon Musk and Fox News for their irrespnsible handling of Jan. 6. Plus, a stunning takedown of No Labels potentially spoiling the 2024 election with third party candidates, and a Tim rant on Andrew Sullivan accusing The Bulwark of wanting Trump to beat DeSantis. Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-snexk8zoU And tune in for TNL's new Sunday night show! Featuring a new guest every week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim shares his experience following Ron DeSantis throughout Florida. Plus, is the crime wave to blame for Lori Lightfoot getting the ax in Chicago? And will Tennessee's drag ban hold up against the First Amendment? Watch the gang record the episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCpbVRrVbpw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Everyone's favorite lunatic Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks the U.S. needs a national divorce. She's an expert on the subject. Plus, Biden's trip to Ukraine on Presidents' Day should be a moment of unity, but MAGA shills like Ron DeSantis are breeding disunity when we most need it. This episode of The Next Level was recording on February 21, 2023. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nikki Haley launches her bid for the presidency and she's the perfect candidate ... for 2015. Are her presidential ambitions pure fantasy? Plus, Elon Musk blows a fuse over Biden's more popular tweet, as Republicans continue losing their minds over Chinese balloons. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah, Tim and JVL break down Biden's State of the Union speech. Consensus? The president did what he does best! Watch the gang record each episode of The Next Level on our official YouTube channel! Make sure to like and subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Larry Hogan walks back comments he'd support Trump if he was the GOP's 2024 nominee, while Chris Sununu doubles down. Plus, Nikki Haley's narrow path to victory and the hurdles facing the police reform debate. This episode of The Next Level was recorded on February 2, 2023. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The gang finish their road trip with a live show in Seattle this weekend with columnist Dan Savage! Here's what went down! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The gang hit the road this week with a live show from the Avalon Hollywood. To listen to the entire show go to The Next Level at https://thenextlevel.thebulwark.com/p/no-bs-live-la#details. Part two of the show features our guest, Jon Favreau, host of the Pod Save America podcast. Listen here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is part two of our Jan. 19 live show from the Avalon Hollywood with special guest Jon Favreau, former Obama speechwriter and host of Pod Save American. To listen to the entire show go to The Next Level at https://thenextlevel.thebulwark.com/p/bonus-live-from-la-pt-2#details Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sonny Bunch joins Tim and JVL to talk Republican fury over suggestions to ban gas stoves. Plus, debates on the trajectory of social media and Ron DeSantis’ new education policy. Join the gang from The Next Level in Hollywood on January 19 and in Seattle on January 21. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/events Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Marjorie Taylor Greene looks all the more powerful in the new GOP-controlled House after playing her cards right during the Speakership standoff. What will it mean for the radicals to be in control going forward? JVL's Triad: https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/ross-douthat-and-the-match-throwing Join the gang from The Next Level in Hollywood on January 19 and in Seattle on January 21. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/events Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kevin McCarthy's dream of becoming Speaker of the House is imperiled as the MAGA wing flexes its power. After FIVE rounds of voting, he's no where close to securing the position. Is this comeuppance for coming to Trump's rescue after Jan. 6? Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/NoBS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy leaves his country for the first time since Russia invaded to deliver an address to Congress. Plus, Trump's tax return will be released to the public and the Jan. 6 commission held its last hearing. Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/NoBS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah, Tim and JVL took over The Bulwark Podcast! Tim Miller checks in from Turning Point's event in Phoenix on the role of "Gays Against Groomers" in the culture war. Plus, George Santos as Tom Ripley, and the Musk crowd's "Free Speech for Me and Not for Thee." Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ron DeSantis attempts to win over Trump voters by going full anti-vaccine. Is it a good strategy for him? Plus, the Twitter Files continue to drop and same-sex marriage is signed into law. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss! Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Republicans say then-candidate Joe Biden put a torch to First Amendment rights by asking Twitter to take down inappropriate Hunter Biden images. Plus, Donald Trump says we should terminate the Constitution, then gaslights everyone who calls him out on it. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trump's dinner from hell with anti-semites has more republicans questioning his judgement ... again. Plus, are Never-Trump Republicans obligated to back DeSantis? Sonny Bunch joins Sarah and Tim to discuss! Sonny's awards movie recommendations: TÁR - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6gA1RehsU ATHENA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRunUkdkK8s Top Gun: Maverick - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giXco2jaZ_4 Elvis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDLRvjHVOY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah, Tim and JVL unpack the Colorado Springs shooting that killed five people and injured 25 others. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can Kevin McCarthy muster enough Republican support to become Speaker of the House after a disappointing midterm? Will any GOP leaders be held accountable for the party's losses? Plus, Kari Lake becomes the latest election denier to be rejected by the voters. Will Saletan joins JVL and Tim to discuss. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The results are in (mostly) and the red wave didn’t happen! Democracy appears to have prevailed when we most doubted it! JVL, Sarah and Tim breakdown the midterms, giving their thoughts on the results and predictions for the undecided races. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter could lead to its demise, while Republicans use the platform to spread conspiracy theories about Nancy Pelosi's husband after his assault. Plus, the hosts predict the outcomes of close midterm races one week out from election day. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Billy Corben joins Tim and JVL on this bonus episode of The Next Level to discuss his new documentary, "God Forbid: The Sex Scandal That Brought Down a Dynasty,” which focuses on the Jerry Falwell Jr. cuckholding scandal with a pool boy. The documentary premieres Nov. 1 on Hulu. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ron DeSantis may be a black hole of charisma, but election denier Kari Lake knows how to run a campaign. Are these two the future of the MAGA movement in 2024? Plus, progressive Dems retracted a letter to Biden calling on a diplomatic solution to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss on this week's The Next Level. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paul Ryan, who has never been wrong about the direction of his party, says Trump will not be the GOP's 2024 nominee. Plus, contentious debates in pivotal midterm races were held this week. JVL, Sarah, and Tim give their thoughts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JVL, Sarah, and Tim talk Tulsi Gabbard's departure from the Democratic Party, Sen. Tommy Tuberville's racist rally comments, and Rep. Tim Ryan's debate performance against JD Vance. Plus, Tim goes off on Sen. Ben Sasse for resigning from Congress. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss bombshell revelations GOP Senate candidates Herschel Walker and Dr. Mehmet Oz. Plus, a takedown of California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the idea he’s the Democrats’ next presidential frontrunner. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JVL, Sarah, and Tim discuss the pathetic populists in the GOP, the odd politicking of Kyrsten Sinema, and the American perception of "furries." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, breakdown campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices