Decoder with Nilay Patel

Recode Decode: News Media Alliance CEO David Chavern

David Chavern, the president and CEO of the nonprofit News Media Alliance, talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about advocating on behalf of journalists in Washington, D.C.
In this episode: How Chavern got to the News Media Alliance; the unique challenges of representing the media business; the ripple effects of the declining print business; the impact of Google and Facebook; revenue sharing, algorithm changes and conspiracy theories online; the differences among how the platforms understand the media; how tech has sucked up all the ad revenue; “charity isn’t going to solve this problem”; why does Facebook get Section 230 protections?; potential antitrust action; Trump’s dangerous “fake news” rhetoric; is education and news literacy enough?; tech billionaires buying media companies; and why it’s harder to innovate on the business model for journalism than it is in other forms of media
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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.