Natalie Chama-Pupé and Karl Pupé, Teachers

Are you the one aiming at the moon? Or the one with the plan to get there? Teachers Natalie Chama-Pupé and Karl Pupé talk to Viv Groskop about respect, discipline, humour - and about how they inspire and ground each other.

Do check out Karl Pupé's book The Action Hero Teacher

And Viv's new book Lift As You Climb.