Sugar Calling

‘You Don’t Take Dictation. You Find the Truth.’

<p>Note: This episode contains descriptions of suicide and sexual violence. </p><p>Cheryl phones Amy Tan at her home overlooking Sausalito Bay in California. The two compare notes on family, grief and the long arc of resilience.</p>

Cheryl Strayed, also known as Sugar, says writing taught her how to give advice. In this moment of uncertainty, she’s setting aside advice-giving in favor of wisdom-seeking and turning to the writers who have long inspired her for courage and insight.