Into The Grey Zone

Episode Eight: When The Grey Zone Becomes A War Zone

What happens when the grey zone becomes a war zone and what might future wars look like, with hypersonic missiles, artificial intelligence and cyber changing calculations? These are questions Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores in this episode, in part, by looking at Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine. She also talks to General Sir Nick Carter, the head of Britain’s armed forces, about what he thinks is the gravest threat to the UK and about how the military is adapting to operate in the grey zone. Guests: General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of the Defence Staff General Sir Richard Barrons, former head of Joint Command, now Strategic Command Emine Dzhaparova , First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Sergei Markov, political scientist and former member of the Russian parliament Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at Chatham House Orysia Lutsevych, head and research fellow, Ukraine Forum, Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House Credits: Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes Edited and produced by Chris Scott Production support from Sophia McBide and Michael Greenfield The Head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

What do assassinations, cyber hacks and disinformation have in common? They’re all weapons used by states against each other in a grey zone of harm that sits - deliberately - under the threshold of war, but could be just as dangerous if ignored. Sky News Foreign Affairs Editor Deborah Haynes explores this often invisible battlefield, where anything can be - and is - used as a weapon and anyone, anywhere can be a target.