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219: Kids' books, co-parenting and cats with Nadia Shireen

219: Kids' books, co-parenting and cats with Nadia Shireen

By Ellie Gibson and Helen Thorn

What's it like being a cat person when you have big dog energy? Which term should we use - co-parenting, single parenting, or double parenting? And what does Philip Larkin have in common with the lead singer of T'Pau? Answering all these questions is the marvellous Nadia Shireen! 

She tells us how she went from Smash Hits sub editor to successful children's author. We discuss the issue of diversity in kids' books, and whether things are getting any better. Then we round off with some chat about sleep deprivation and the role Mark Owen might play in the impending apocalypse. It's jollier than it sounds. 

Buy Nadia's books! The excellent Barbara Throws a Wobbler and Grimwood are out now, and they are brilliant - our kids love them and so do we. 

Follow Nadia on Twitter @nadiashireen, and on Instagram @nadiashireendraws. And do check out the awesome bookshop we mention at

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