I've never been able to look at a pigeon the same way again

Jane and Fi have been at the Destinations Show at Kensington Olympia to explore all things travel.

The film-maker and travel writer Ash Bhardwaj discusses his recent 8,500 km overland trip from the top of Norway to Romania, at a time of increased tensions between Russia and the West.

Also they talk pet food and the theme tune dance challenge.

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Assistant Producer: Sameer Merali

Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler

Podcast Executive Producer: Ben Mitchell

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