In this week’s podcast we bring together two brothers - Charles Powell and Jonathan Powell.
Charles Powell, Lord Powell, advised Margaret Thatcher on foreign policy from 1983 to the end of her premiership.
Seven years after he'd left Number 10 his younger brother Jonathan Powell moved in, as Chief of Staff to Tony Blair.
Both men still travel the world, Charles Powell for business and Jonathan Powell mediating on conflicts.
Gary sat down with them in the aftermath of the leaked memos home from the British Ambassador in Washington.