Proper Football with Dean Ashton

Kammy and Ben are joined by former Norwich and West Ham striker Dean Ashton and you can listen to it first on BBC Sounds.

Dean recalls his career from being a precocious talent at Crewe to winning his only England cap under Fabio Capello - not that he was a big fan of Dean's physique. He also recalls being wooed by Alan Pardew, explains why Steven Gerrard isn't human and remembers the time his non-football watching dad told a legend to get lost.

BBC Sounds is the best place to listen to Kammy and Ben's Proper Football Podcast with new episodes available first, a month before anywhere else.